My intent is to forward jobs that are sent to me directly as long as they are for IT positions. Any recruiter who see's my resume on monster or somewhere else will see my experience is overwhelmingly Linux and particularly Linux to replace windows. A recruiter who sends a job posting to the ale-jobs list directly that has no Linux/FLOSS impact may be approved depending on my mood for the day and how much crap Aaron has given me for the last posting :-) . The moderation fo the list is intended to be strictly to only have job postings and not the normal banter traffic of ALE or robotic spam mails for various enhancements.<br>
<br>When recruiters send a windows only job, I do inform them the list has a supply of Linux capable talent and to post those notices there in particular. Sometimes, depending on my mood and Aaron's ranting, I may be quite snarky in my response.<br>
<br>Right now, I will post pretty much any job in IT that rolls across the desk. If a welder uses a computer, that's another system that could be reworked to run Linux.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:05 AM, arxaaron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arxaaron@gmail.com">arxaaron@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Looking back to when Jim took the initiative to start the<br>
jobs list and took on the task of moderating it, he did<br>
state his intent to post opportunities in the IT/Tech<br>
sector even when Linux / Unix / FLOSS were not<br>
integral parts of the job descriptions. Some discussion<br>
along the lines of the current debate followed, but<br>
there was no commitment to filter out "off topic" posts.<br>
<br>
Though I stand by my convictions that posts to our jobs<br>
list from outside companies, most especially recruiters,<br>
should be limited to items with Linux & FLOSS relevance,<br>
the ALE membership seems split on the issue.<br>
<br>
In the end it's the call of whoever has taken on the<br>
volunteer task of moderating the list. The current<br>
moderator a fair minded but avid FLOSS evangelist,<br>
so I doubt the ALE-jobs list will become a wasteland<br>
dumping ground for windisease recruiters. Hopefully<br>
this ALE offering will remain a high gravity brew with<br>
a distinctive character.<br>
<br>
peace<br>
<font color="#888888">aaron<br>
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On 2010/11/11, at 07:40 , Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
> I stand by my decision to approve a job posting that had no<br>
><br>
> specific Linux/FLOSS context except for one: the access to<br>
><br>
> an opportunity to introduce the employer to our world.<br>
><br>
> In order to expand the coverage of Linux, we have to have<br>
><br>
> access to do so. Standing outside the parking lot gate won't<br>
><br>
> get it done. Standing inside the data center will.<br>
><br>
> Besides it's loads of fun to replace a stack of windows machines<br>
><br>
> with a pair of redundant Linux servers. It's hard to do that in an<br>
><br>
> all Linux shop.<br>
><br>
> Preaching to the choir is a waste of time when the game<br>
><br>
> is to claim converts.<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Nov 10, 2010 11:53 PM, "arxaaron" <<a href="mailto:arxaaron@gmail.com">arxaaron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > On 2010/11/10, at 22:10 , Mike Harrison wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Sparr wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Mike Harrison<br>
> <<a href="mailto:cluon@geeklabs.com">cluon@geeklabs.com</a>><br>
> >>> wrote:<br>
> >>>> Would you rather give one of "us" Linux/FOSS aware<br>
> >>>> people a chance at a paying job....<br>
> >>>> or one of "them" M$-centric fanbois?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> By that logic, *any* job posting is relevant to this board, almost<br>
> >>> all<br>
> >>> of them more so than a MS job posting.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I just hired a kid who's been working the Deli counter at Wal-<br>
> Mart..<br>
> >> Still<br>
> >> is on weekends. But he can use vi, diff, and write some basic code.<br>
> >> He's<br>
> >> learning quickly. While I'm not so sure the Wal-Mart deli job<br>
> >> posting is<br>
> >> apropos to an ALE-Jobs or other technology list, I'm glad he had<br>
> the<br>
> >> job<br>
> >> until he found employment as a Linux sysadmin.<br>
> >><br>
> >> In 2004 I made more money as a welder than a Linux geek.<br>
> >> Still have a dead spot in my right eye from it ("instant" on<br>
> welding<br>
> >> mask<br>
> >> failed) The message I got that work from a posting to a Linux<br>
> list and<br>
> >> kept me fed for 6 months. (I made special brackets for antenna<br>
> >> mounts).<br>
> >><br>
> >> In 2005, I took a job that includes babysitting 14 2000/2003<br>
> windows<br>
> >> iMail<br>
> >> and IIS servers. I converted most of them to a single Linux<br>
> server. I<br>
> >> could not have done that if I had not taken the job.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It is far easier to convert the unwashed ignaorant masses from<br>
> within<br>
> >> the castle walls, than from across the moat.<br>
> ><br>
> > The point in this is not a question of whether working<br>
> > in odd jobs, tech oriented or otherwise, MafiaSoft centric<br>
> > or not, is better for someone than not working at all.<br>
> ><br>
> > The question is whether postings for those odd jobs<br>
> > are appropriate to the ALE-jobs list, and the answer is<br>
> > that they aren't. A posting for a welding gig or a babysitting<br>
> > job or a windisease-only admin position are all equally<br>
> > inappropriate to the context of the ALE-jobs list.<br>
> ><br>
> > If someone wants to (or is willing to) be a welder or a<br>
> > babysitter or an accomplice to convicted corporate<br>
> > criminals to pay the bills, there are many resources<br>
> > available for finding work in those arenas. There is<br>
> > no reason or justification for ALE to dilute its services<br>
> > by trying to be a redundant echo of those resources.<br>
> ><br>
> > The point and purpose of the ALE-jobs list is to be a<br>
> > clear resource for finding employment and employees<br>
> > in arenas relating to some level of Linux, Unix, or<br>
> > FLOSS administration or development. If the job<br>
> > description doesn't include _something_ relating<br>
> > to those, then it is clearly and simply inappropriate<br>
> > and needs to be directed elsewhere. Otherwise we<br>
> > might as well label it the ALE-craigslist and start<br>
> > posting service offers from prostitutes and<br>
> > employment offers from pimps because the list<br>
> > will have no differentiating or specific purpose<br>
> > at that point.<br>
> ><br>
> > peace<br>
> > aaron<br>
> ><br>
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