<p>I stand by my decision to approve a job posting that had no specific Linux/FLOSS context except for one: the access to an opportunity to introduce the employer to our world.</p>
<p>In order to expand the coverage of Linux, we have to have access to do so. Standing outside the parking lot gate won't get it done. Standing inside the data center will.</p>
<p>Besides it's loads of fun to replace a stack of windows machines with a pair of redundant Linux servers. It's hard to do that in an all Linux shop. </p>
<p>Preaching to the choir is a waste of time when the game is to claim converts.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 10, 2010 11:53 PM, "arxaaron" <<a href="mailto:arxaaron@gmail.com">arxaaron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> <br>> On 2010/11/10, at 22:10 , Mike Harrison wrote:<br>
> <br>>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Sparr wrote:<br>>><br>>>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Mike Harrison <<a href="mailto:cluon@geeklabs.com">cluon@geeklabs.com</a>> <br>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Would you rather give one of "us" Linux/FOSS aware<br>>>>> people a chance at a paying job....<br>>>>> or one of "them" M$-centric fanbois?<br>>>><br>>>> By that logic, *any* job posting is relevant to this board, almost <br>
>>> all<br>>>> of them more so than a MS job posting.<br>>><br>>> I just hired a kid who's been working the Deli counter at Wal-Mart.. <br>>> Still<br>>> is on weekends. But he can use vi, diff, and write some basic code. <br>
>> He's<br>>> learning quickly. While I'm not so sure the Wal-Mart deli job <br>>> posting is<br>>> apropos to an ALE-Jobs or other technology list, I'm glad he had the <br>>> job<br>
>> until he found employment as a Linux sysadmin.<br>>><br>>> In 2004 I made more money as a welder than a Linux geek.<br>>> Still have a dead spot in my right eye from it ("instant" on welding <br>
>> mask<br>>> failed) The message I got that work from a posting to a Linux list and<br>>> kept me fed for 6 months. (I made special brackets for antenna <br>>> mounts).<br>>><br>>> In 2005, I took a job that includes babysitting 14 2000/2003 windows <br>
>> iMail<br>>> and IIS servers. I converted most of them to a single Linux server. I<br>>> could not have done that if I had not taken the job.<br>>><br>>> It is far easier to convert the unwashed ignaorant masses from within<br>
>> the castle walls, than from across the moat.<br>> <br>> The point in this is not a question of whether working<br>> in odd jobs, tech oriented or otherwise, MafiaSoft centric<br>> or not, is better for someone than not working at all.<br>
> <br>> The question is whether postings for those odd jobs<br>> are appropriate to the ALE-jobs list, and the answer is<br>> that they aren't. A posting for a welding gig or a babysitting<br>> job or a windisease-only admin position are all equally<br>
> inappropriate to the context of the ALE-jobs list.<br>> <br>> If someone wants to (or is willing to) be a welder or a<br>> babysitter or an accomplice to convicted corporate<br>> criminals to pay the bills, there are many resources<br>
> available for finding work in those arenas. There is<br>> no reason or justification for ALE to dilute its services<br>> by trying to be a redundant echo of those resources.<br>> <br>> The point and purpose of the ALE-jobs list is to be a<br>
> clear resource for finding employment and employees<br>> in arenas relating to some level of Linux, Unix, or<br>> FLOSS administration or development. If the job<br>> description doesn't include _something_ relating<br>
> to those, then it is clearly and simply inappropriate<br>> and needs to be directed elsewhere. Otherwise we<br>> might as well label it the ALE-craigslist and start<br>> posting service offers from prostitutes and<br>
> employment offers from pimps because the list<br>> will have no differentiating or specific purpose<br>> at that point.<br>> <br>> peace<br>> aaron<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>
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