Oh crap! Jeff and I agree again on something!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The first reply to the C# suggestion merely said that if one has qualms<br>
about Oracle/Java then MS/C# would not likely be a solution.<br>
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It was the post that said "get over it" that changed the tone of the<br>
posts.<br>
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If all one has is "cutesy" names by opponents as one's raison d'etre<br>
then it shows an inability to argue on a logical basis. Once you start<br>
attacking the person rather than the argument you've shown your own<br>
arguments to be invalid.<br>
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As for me I've noted the irony before of Open Source folks embracing<br>
Apple given that it requires proprietary hardware to run its OS unlike<br>
MS. I had noted previously on this list that years ago many of us that<br>
were doing DOS (yes DOS) and Windows disliked Apple for this very<br>
reason.<br>
<br>
Positions evolve over time. I once loved SCO because like MS it would<br>
run on almost any PC using x86 and was making my living for me.<br>
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Similarly, I didn't always dislike M$ - My opinion of them started to<br>
change when they came out with Windows NT with the stated intention of<br>
taking the place of UNIX. As a UNIX Admin I was not likely to embrace<br>
that position. Windows has never seemed a good substitute for X<br>
Windows to me. All NT really succeeded in killing was Novell Netware.<br>
Also MS essentially gave away MS office (or more exactly reportedly<br>
forced PC manufacturers to bundle it if they wanted the OS) in order to<br>
kill very good applications like WordPerfect and Lotus 123. Once they<br>
became dominant they no longer gave it away and they've done what they<br>
could to make it closed to working with other vendors' apps. Having<br>
read many accounts of the way they do business and seeing both the US<br>
and the EU start actions against them for antitrust is all I need to<br>
form an opinion. If an overarching desire to make money in ways that<br>
are not allowed in agreements they've signed as well as regulations and<br>
laws preventing such methods leads me to say "M$" then I will free to do<br>
so.<br>
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On Nov 8, 2010, at 12:09 PM, James Sumners wrote:<br>
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> They've just been about fallacies<br>
> proven incorrect because some people can't get over the fact that MS<br>
> created the easiest answer to the question.<br>
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How do you think I feel on this list when it comes to Apple solutions?<br>
<br>
I understand your position, and I'm in the same place on the Apple side.<br>
I recognize my peril and choose to play there for the case of<br>
experience. When it comes to my servers, I go Linux all the way. I'm<br>
not as willing as some of us to become what is essentially communist in<br>
ideology, but as I tell my employers, "You're going to find out about me<br>
that I don't like to spend money. Whenever possible, in each and every<br>
case, Free and Open is the way to go if business cases permit it. It is<br>
the best solution for every situation I can imagine"<br>
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I think the overall point is, though, that you cannot trust a for-profit<br>
to "do the right thing" if push ever comes to shove. Those products, by<br>
all appearances, may not be encumbered now, but they are also not GPL.<br>
At some point in the future, Offending Company X can decide to take<br>
their ball and go home making this entire argument fallacious.<br>
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When everything in that block of code becomes an actual, verifiable (and<br>
able to stand up in court) LICENSE such as the GPL, then you trust that<br>
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