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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Given that many things made for “open
systems” have Windows management stations or tools I don’t think it’s
fair to chide VMware for it. VMWare of course allows for Windows guest
systems as well and many folks that use it ONLY use it for Windows guests. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What really got me was when HP started
making HP-UX management tools that only ran on Windows. Go figure.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joshua Kite<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 07, 2010
9:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Virtualization
question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Unfortunately VMWare has
not moved away from their Windows-only tool. It's a bad choice, and I
don't understand why a thick client is required to simply manage guests.
I can understand it for conversions, etc., but not for management.<br>
<br>
I haven't had a chance to play with the SDK. Supposedly there is one for
Linux, but I haven't worked with it yet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Richard Bronosky <<a
href="mailto:Richard@bronosky.com" target="_blank">Richard@bronosky.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Has VMWare fixed the situation of their management tool (VSphere if I<br>
remember correctly) only running on windows? I don't care how great<br>
their product looks. It is just plain stupid to make your software<br>
only run on the OS of a company who has entered the market for the<br>
purpose of shutting down your business. I don't use products by<br>
organizations who demonstrate such stupidity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 11/6/10, Joshua Kite <<a href="mailto:jwkite@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwkite@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Thank you both for your replies. I just realized that I had a<br>
> misunderstanding about the vmware license. I'm going to give that
one more<br>
> try.<br>
><br>
> This is the first that I've heard about LXC. That's very interesting<br>
> functionality, but I have to read up on it more. KVM and VirtualBox
are<br>
> probably good choices if ESXi doesn't work out for me.<br>
><br>
> Thanks again.<br>
><br>
> Josh Kite<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, John Scott <<a
href="mailto:John.Scott@peak10.com" target="_blank">John.Scott@peak10.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> If you want easy with x86 compatibility and not have to change
your base<br>
>> OS preference, check into VirtualBox. You can get the host
hypervisor via<br>
>> apt-get on ubuntu and there is good documentation available on<br>
>> <a href="http://virtualbox.org" target="_blank">virtualbox.org</a>.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From:* <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
*On Behalf Of<br>
>> *Joshua<br>
>> Kite<br>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:02 AM<br>
>> *To:* <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City>
Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
>> *Subject:* [ale] Virtualization question<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> I am looking for advice on how to set up some virtual environments for
use<br>
>> at home.<br>
>><br>
>> I have a server, and I want it to have two distinct functions.
One is<br>
>> network filtering, etc. using squid and some other applications.
The<br>
>> other<br>
>> is my basic web/file/print server. I may want to play with something
else<br>
>> in the future, so virtualization seems like the right choice.<br>
>><br>
>> The hardware that I have available is a dual xeon hyperthreaded 32 bit<br>
>> machine. And that's the problem. I would like to run a
bare-metal<br>
>> hypervisor, but all of the current ones seem to be for 64-bit only.
That<br>
>> makes sense, but it doesn't work for me. I actually installed
the<br>
>> previous<br>
>> version of VMWare's ESXi only to find out that the free license will
only<br>
>> allow me to make use of one of the processors once the trial period is
up.<br>
>><br>
>> So the next option appears to be a light OS for a host system with a<br>
>> hypervisor running inside of it. I have run Ubuntu for both
desktop and<br>
>> server for the past 5 or so years, but I am willing to consider other<br>
>> distributions for both host and guest for the network filtering OS.
I'll<br>
>> probably use Ubuntu for the web/file/print functionality since I'm
most<br>
>> familiar with it.<br>
>><br>
>> I have been fighting with my home server for weeks after a crash, and
I'm<br>
>> kind of tired of playing with it, so I am looking for a very dumbed
down,<br>
>> easy solution with step by step instructions for installation and<br>
>> automatic<br>
>> startup of guests.<br>
>><br>
>> Do any of you have recommendations?<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you very much,<br>
>><br>
>> Josh Kite<br>
>><br>
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