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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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ark and keep that in the Holy of Holies? If so what is your plan for when the
Babylonians attack?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> ale-bounces@ale.org
[mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim
Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 04, 2010
9:59 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rfaulkner@34thprs.org; Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] OT- Re: Cd-r
life</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I etch all of my
important data onto bronze plates then fill in the etching with gold. The super
important data is carved into granite slabs. <br>
<br>
That bug-out bag is getting pretty heavy...<br>
<br>
Laser print onto acid-free archival paper is a solid preservation method. For
the terminally paranoid, getting the resulting paper laminated is next.<br>
<br>
90+% or archival needs are environmental. magnetic media, optical media, film,
all require lightless, temperature and humidity conditions to be met for
maximum lifespan.<br>
<br>
Oh. put flash media in a lead-foil film bag to go through the airport with.
X-rays and flash media are a bad combination.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Richard Faulkner <<a
href="mailto:rfaulkner@34thprs.org">rfaulkner@34thprs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Agreed on the frailness of flash memory Wolf. One trip to
Willie's Place in <br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hillsboro</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place> during the studio build had me carrying a
ton of gear with me <br>
through ATL/TSA and saw my bags (laptop bag, HDD's and thumb-drives)<br>
getting scanned at least three time before being cleared. All of my
sticks <br>
were toast in some fashion. I cringed as they scanned them...<br>
<br>
In the end I got my work done but had to d/l fresh images for my drives and<br>
rebuild them on the road to finish the studio installs. Frustrating.<br>
<br>
Paper is a longer term storage media (correct) but due to light effects and<br>
acid content of paper (which varies) it does come apart if not properly <br>
selected and cared for. <br>
<br>
This is an issue which I'm starting to wrestle with for the long-term care <br>
and preservation of data and photographic archives for the 34th PRS <br>
website and project. At this point all archival is done on CD-R and HDD<br>
with new archives coming to long-term (gold) optical media. Most all of <br>
what we have in storage at this point is (green) media -- likely part of the <br>
reason why they have lasted so long. ----R<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From</span></b>: <a
href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info" target="_blank">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>
<<a href="mailto:%22wolf@wolfhalton.info%22%20%3cwolf@wolfhalton.info%3e"
target="_blank">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Reply-to</span></b>: <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City> Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run
Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To</span></b>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux! <<a
href="mailto:Atlanta%20Linux%20Enthusiasts%20-%20Yes%21%20We%20run%20Linux%21%20%3cale@ale.org%3e"
target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Subject</span></font></b>:
Re: [ale] OT- Re: Cd-r life<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Date</span></b>: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:48:06
-0400<br>
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Even the best CDR-W have about a 2-year life expectancy<br>
Paper is by far the most time-resistant media for photos. <br>
Ansel Adams Photos still exist. (They always looked that weird)<br>
<br>
Do you want to start talking about the relative friability of media?<br>
flash memory has about a max life of 5 years unless the stick or <br>
SHD is powered up at regular intervals. (I am not sure of the interval)<br>
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-Wolf<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From</span></b>: Paul Cartwright <<a
href="mailto:Paul%20Cartwright%20%3cale@pcartwright.com%3e" target="_blank">ale@pcartwright.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Reply-to</span></b>: <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City> Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run
Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To</span></b>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux! <<a
href="mailto:Atlanta%20Linux%20Enthusiasts%20-%20Yes%21%20We%20run%20Linux%21%20%3cale@ale.org%3e"
target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject</span></b>: [ale] OT- Re: Cd-r life<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Date</span></b>: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 06:46:52
-0400<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Sat October 2 2010, Ron Frazier wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> TDK had a similar product at one time, but I couldn't find it on their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> website now. Here's the link to their storage media website. Look for the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> word archival in the name, but be sure to check the specs. Some discs are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> just a heavy duty scratch resistant standard discs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <a
href="http://www.tdkperformance.com/en-us/Storage-Media/" target="_blank">http://www.tdkperformance.com/en-us/Storage-Media/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ok, since we are now talking photos & not linux, it becomes OT:)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the problem with the photoarchival TDK CDs is, it now takes me 2 DVDs to store <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>my photos, and that size grows almost daily:) I now use at least 1 USB stick <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to store photos on. As soon as I get A JOB, I will get a bigger USB stick, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and eventually multiple sticks, just for my photos..<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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