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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks to those who replied.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The issue was actually with removing
emails not general files. What she was talking about was “on
my mac” which was a subfolder of her email’s trash
folder. (She had that and another subfolder which was for her login
at yahoo mail [I know…].) I never saw any message complaining
about “on my mac” as she said she had but she told me that was what
she had been on about. I gather that “on my mac” is the
difference between mail stored at the provider and mail stored locally on the
Apple laptop. The message was a red herring.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway the issue was that if you went to
one of her other (non-trash) folders and selected messages for deletion they
simply greyed out instead of going away. At first it appeared that
dragging a message from one of those folders to trash would delete it but on
restarting mail it would come back again. After doing some Google
searching I found some things. One that told me to go into the
Preferenceds</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>à</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Account Settings and get rid of the option to move to special
folder (e.g. trash). I noticed in there were settings for how long to
keep messages after deletion and the one associated with that said for 1 month
so I changed it to when mail closes. That didn’t do
it. I then tried deselecting that option altogether (It’s an
entirely different kind of flying…) but that didn’t do it either so
I reselected it. Another post suggested that one needs to do that
deselect and reselect and also do a “Rebuild” of the mail
folder. After doing the rebuild the messages deleted (went to
trash) if I highlighted them and dragged them to trash or if I highlighted them
and clicked “Delete”. If I then did the option to
delete all erased messages (which hadn’t worked before the rebuild) it
successfully removed the messages from trash. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So it appears that doing a Rebuild on the
folder was necessary to fix the issue. Deselecting and reselecting
the option to move to special folder on delete MAY have been necessary but I’m
not sure. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Interestingly it appears this Rebuild can
be selected for each folder and it is quite fast – I had expected it to
need to go through and so some sort of file reorganization that would take time
but it didn’t.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My payment for this was a package of “McVittie’s
Digestive Biscuits” (Chocolate). :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jerald Sheets<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 09, 2010
2:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Very thin
details - Unable to remove files from an Apple</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Maybe repairing all permissions in the Disk Utility wouldn't be a bad
idea either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There's a tool called "Applejack" that I put on every box I
have. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://applejack.sourceforge.net/">http://applejack.sourceforge.net/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I use it all the time to be able to run disk utility tools from a boot
to single-user mode. It also helps to be in single-user when doing all
sorts of file flags. It eliminates the GUI layer from making file changes
under you, and it's a better way to run Applejack.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you're going to be doing any regular service on this thing, I highly
recommend it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--j<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Passauer, Billy wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Hi Jeff,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure
if it is related to the error message she gave you, and I haven’t seen it
too often, but I have run across it a couple of times where a file has the
“immutable flag” set. Which makes it so you can’t
change/delete the file even if you do have the correct permissions.
The command to change it is chflags. For more info/examples, see:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://osxfaq.com/Tutorials/LearningCenter/AdvancedUnix/ugp2/page2.ws">http://osxfaq.com/Tutorials/LearningCenter/AdvancedUnix/ugp2/page2.ws</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> … Billy …<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Lightner,
Jeff<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We
run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[ale] Very thin details - Unable to
remove files from an Apple<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My neighbor has an Apple laptop. Last night she
mentioned she’d been trying to delete some files but was getting a
message indicating something like they can’t be deleted because
they’re in “the mac”… (mach…?
mack…?). She wants me to look at it this weekend but I
know very little about Apple stuff. Since I haven’t
seen it yet I don’t know the exact message. Just wondering if
this snippet of info means anything to any of you Apple users and if so what I
should expect and do when I do see it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It may be something I can figure out easily once I see
it. The last problem she had was due to a powered off
printer. :-) Just figured I’d ask ahead of time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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