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As a Fedora user (so much so that I'm not in a hurry to move up) I can vouch for how well 12 ran for me out-of-the-box. Virtually no tweaking, although I did have to install a boat-load of codecs. (...and yes, I know what a codec is -- or rather what "they" are). After all, I had to...I used to be an Broadcast Systems Engineer with XM Satellite Radio. : )<BR>
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The installer is not the most user friendly (for the un-initiated non-techie type) IMHO and thus I tend to prefer to recommend Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS (another favorite of mine!) for new/general users - even though I often feel that Fedora may be "better" (my bias). All easy to use from the standpoint of the garden-variety user and thoughtfully designed installers. Looking forward to the day when Fedora catches up on that front.<BR>
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<B>From</B>: Jim Kinney <<A HREF="mailto:Jim%20Kinney%20%3cjim.kinney@gmail.com%3e">jim.kinney@gmail.com</A>><BR>
<B>Reply-to</B>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale@ale.org><BR>
<B>To</B>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<A HREF="mailto:Atlanta%20Linux%20Enthusiasts%20-%20Yes!%20We%20run%20Linux!%20%3cale@ale.org%3e">ale@ale.org</A>><BR>
<B>Subject</B>: Re: [ale] weird mouse problem<BR>
<B>Date</B>: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:36:09 -0400<BR>
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It is based on fedora 12 so much closer to current desktop features.<BR>
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On Sep 10, 2010 2:46 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <<A HREF="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
> RHEL6 beta v2 is out - maybe that does it better?<BR>
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> From: <A HREF="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</A>] On Behalf Of Jim<BR>
> Kinney<BR>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 2:24 PM<BR>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<BR>
> Subject: Re: [ale] weird mouse problem<BR>
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> <BR>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jim Lynch<BR>
> <<A HREF="mailto:ale_nospam@fayettedigital.com">ale_nospam@fayettedigital.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On 09/09/2010 01:51 PM, Brian Pitts wrote:<BR>
>> On 09/09/2010 01:11 PM, Jim Lynch wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>>> Not even that. Ubuntu 10.04 doesn't display video out of the box<BR>
>>> without installing codecs that a novice user would have no idea<BR>
> about.<BR>
>>> No reasonable documentation either.<BR>
>>><BR>
>> If you tried to play a video that there are codecs packaged for in<BR>
>> Ubuntu, and you weren't automatically prompted to install the codes<BR>
> when<BR>
>> you opened the video in Totem (GNOME's movie player), please file a<BR>
> bug. [0]<BR>
>><BR>
> <BR>
> In one case, it did prompt me to install the codec but it didn't work,<BR>
> it's been too long since so I can't recall the details. It either<BR>
> couldn't find the codec, failed to install for some reason or even after<BR>
> the codec was installed, it still didn't work. I<BR>
> <BR>
>> If you don't think the documentation available through the Help entry<BR>
>> under the System menu (or online [1]) isn't good enough, you can file<BR>
> a<BR>
>> bug about that too [2] (or even join the documentation team [3] if<BR>
>> you're ambitious).<BR>
>><BR>
> <BR>
> A novice user can't even define codec, much less know to look in the<BR>
> docs for the answers, especially when his experience with the "other"<BR>
> system didn't require anything special, it just worked.<BR>
> <BR>
> Don't get me wrong, I've been running Linux since 0.12 kernel in '91 and<BR>
> am 100% behind it. I've been working on computers since the mid '60s<BR>
> and if I get frustrated sometimes, think what a first time user of Linux<BR>
> might think. A year ago I thought Linux was ready for the desktop, but<BR>
> since then I've attempted Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Centos desktop<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> ouch! RedHat/Centos on the desktop is a kludge even with EPEL repo.<BR>
> Fedora on the desktop actually works. Add the rpmfusion free and<BR>
> non-free repos and lastly add the libdvdcss from livna (the only file<BR>
> hosted there - it allows playing encrypted commercial DVDs)<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> installs<BR>
> where things just didn't work well. In some cases I was able to<BR>
> work<BR>
> around or fix the problem, in the case of Kubuntu, I filed a bug<BR>
> which<BR>
> is still being looked at an prevents me from logging in with no<BR>
> workaround.<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> > I know it can be annoying to hear someone say "it should work,<BR>
> file a<BR>
> > bug", but if the technical users take a few minutes to do this<BR>
> then the<BR>
> > experience should get better for the novice users.<BR>
> ><BR>
> <BR>
> I'm somewhat guilty of that, it's true.<BR>
> <BR>
> > [0] <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-codec-install">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-codec-install</A><BR>
> > [1]<BR>
> <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-playback.html">https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-playback.html</A><BR>
> > [2] <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/</A><BR>
> > [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam</A><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
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