I honestly think this list should stay off the concept of politics. That said, I am a conservative. I don't watch hannity, but, I do fully support the Arizona law. I am also an NRA member. I have seen what Unions do to states. (I am from Michigan, which Unions have helped destroy. Highest unemployment rate in the country.) <br>
<br>Oh, to those who think we have the largest military in the world. We don't Hardly. China I know beats us. <br><a href="http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-armies-map.html">http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-armies-map.html</a> According to that we are number 6. Pakistan is bigger than ours. <br>
<br>WRT54G Bridge. I use DDWRT here in the house. Since the garage with bonus room is in a separate building from the house, and the office is in the bonus room, I use it to link everything, including phone lines. Its awesome for that. Never had an issue. Its setup as a wireless bridge repeater. The fun part is when people see the router, with a bunch of computers hooked up, and no uplink, confuses people that understand computers enough, but don't know whats possible with OSS. <br>
<br><br>Laptop. As a former IBM'er I prefer the Thinkpads. You can get a decent used one for cheap. They are durable and handle OSS no problem. I even like the Lenovo thinkpads, but not to crazy of the ideapad. I have supported both Lenovo, and IBM products. <br>
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1. Re: Off topic - And now, unemployment (Robert Reese)<br>
2. Re: poll: WRT54G 3rd-party firmware for wireless bridge<br>
(Richard Bronosky)<br>
3. Re: Off topic - And now, Arizona (and now, BEYOND)<br>
(<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>)<br>
4. Re: Off topic - And now, Arizona (<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>)<br>
5. Re: Off topic - And now, Arizona (Paul Cartwright)<br>
6. And now, on topic - laptop hardware recommendations<br>
(Richard Bronosky)<br>
7. Re: Off topic - And now, Arizona (Larry Johnson)<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:37:17 -0400<br>
From: Robert Reese <<a href="mailto:ale@sixit.com">ale@sixit.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, unemployment<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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Hello Sparr,<br>
<br>
Sunday, July 11, 2010, 11:55:00 PM, you wrote:<br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#United_States_Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#United_States_Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics</a><br>
<br>
> <a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm</a><br>
<br>
> U3 is the official "unemployment rate", around 10%. U6 is the<br>
> statistic that actually matters to those of us who need a job, and is<br>
> around 17% right now.<br>
<br>
<br>
Good catch and links, Sparr. That's pretty much what I was taught so long ago in Macroeconomics... wikipedia proved useful this time. :)<br>
<br>
The only issues I have are the percentages BLM has for their U4, U5, and U6 figures: they are (in my experience, research, and not-so-humble opinion) wild-@ss guesses and grossly underestimated - especially U5 and U6. BLM does try to accommodate discouraged (not 'disgruntled' - mea culpa) workers and underemployed workers, among others, but the definitions they use are narrow yet vague. When probed deeply, it becomes quickly apparent that the BLM has neither the resources nor the technical ability to accurately gauge these numbers and leads them to guesstimate. U3 is the last number that can be estimated to an acceptable degree of accuracy (as measured by most people) and is the number the media uses each night, as you pointed out. That is, U4, U5, and U6 get progressively more difficult to quantify or measure, and thus progressively erroneous.<br>
<br>
Simply, the government does try to figure out the true unemployment, but they just aren't capable of doing it well enough.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the useful links; the wikipedia article does a great job of explaining, correcting, and, of course, expanding on what I wrote.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Robert~<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:49:04 -0400<br>
From: Richard Bronosky <Richard@Bronosky.com><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] poll: WRT54G 3rd-party firmware for wireless bridge<br>
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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+1 for Tomato. But why Airport Extreme? I'm using a MacBook Pro to<br>
write this, but wouldn't buy their wireless router.<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Chris Fowler<br>
<<a href="mailto:cfowler@outpostsentinel.com">cfowler@outpostsentinel.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I run Tomato on mine and it is in service as a bridge in our den serving<br>
> our Ethernet only Blue-Ray player. ?Works great.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 18:41 -0400, Ed Cashin wrote:<br>
>> Hi!<br>
>><br>
>> My Linksys WRT54G was, I think, acting a bit iffy after a few good<br>
>> years of service---The wireless would become unusable about three<br>
>> times a week.<br>
>><br>
>> I replaced it with an Apple Airport Extreme, but now the Linksys<br>
>> wireless card in my basement PC running Linux can't get on the<br>
>> wireless.<br>
>><br>
>> The occasional outages wouldn't bother me if I used the WRT54G<br>
>> as a bridge, accessing the Airport Extreme's wireless and providing<br>
>> its four wired network ports to my basement equipment.<br>
>><br>
>> In other words,<br>
>><br>
>> ? Comcast cable => modem => Airport Extreme => cloud<br>
>> ? cloud => MacBooks, Tivo, etc.<br>
>> ? cloud => WRT54G => (cat 6) debian PC, HP network laser printer<br>
>><br>
>> Googling led me to hyperwrt firmware links that were dead. ?I've<br>
>> heard a lot of talk about Tomato, etc., but anybody who has done<br>
>> what I aim to do with a 3rd-party WRT54G firmware, please speak<br>
>> up!<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks.<br>
>><br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:08:52 -0400<br>
From: "<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>" <<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona (and now, BEYOND)<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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I think the right wing is also fragmented, but the the right wing echo<br>
chambers work because they choose a small set of points and hammer them.<br>
Somebody could do the same thing for the left as well, but they have to<br>
choose their own topics and titles rather than look through the rights<br>
talking points and choosing which to be against.<br>
We on the left have let the right lead the conversation for far too<br>
long, and it has led to a codependent left, who like a beaten wife say<br>
"listen to your father, dear. He loves you."<br>
Let's choose some small set of topics and hire a talking head to echo<br>
those over and over.<br>
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From: Larry Johnson <<a href="mailto:larryfeltonjohnson@gmail.com">larryfeltonjohnson@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona (and now, BEYOND)<br>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:34:46 -0500<br>
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<br>
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Paul Cartwright <<a href="mailto:ale@pcartwright.com">ale@pcartwright.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
On Fri July 9 2010, Greg Freemyer wrote:<br>
> If your right wing friends spend all their time watching<br>
Hannity you<br>
> need a different selection of freinds.<br>
<br>
<br>
what do your friends listen to, Air America?<br>
<br>
<br>
There isn't really any equivalent mass media noise machine on the Left.<br>
One thing to realize is that the core of the Right in this country is<br>
relatively homogenous (mostly consisting of whites in the South, West,<br>
and Midwest -- supplemented by a small contingent of Libertarians) ,<br>
while the Left is a fragmented set of small interest groups. You do get<br>
crossovers (I'm a good example of that, an older white southerner from a<br>
working class background) but region, background, race, and income are<br>
pretty decent predictors of political beliefs.<br>
<br>
Limbaugh has a built-in mass audience. It's like a huge echo chamber in<br>
that most of what he's saying are just repetitions of what they already<br>
believe. This sort of thing isn't just a right wing foible. The Left<br>
listens to self-reinforcing stuff too, but it's really scattered all<br>
over the map. So I can't tell you what the Left as a whole listens too,<br>
but I can point to my own habits, modest fellow that I am.<br>
<br>
I get most of my information by reading, not by listening to the radio<br>
or watching TV, but I enjoy NPR. I also listen to the right wing<br>
entertainers (Boortz, Hannity, Medved, et al) when I'm forced to drive.<br>
As for reading, aside from professional development stuff and manuals I<br>
read the New Yorker, and online I read FiveThirtyEight.com, Wonkette<br>
(because it's funny),<br>
<br>
and the Huffington Post (in that order).<br>
<br>
Things like Air America are doomed, because they make the mistake of<br>
assuming that success in the media consists of a series of techniques,<br>
rather than an evaluation of exactly what medium is suited for one's<br>
audience.<br>
<br>
Hence Limbaugh, Beck, and Drudge work for the right.<br>
FiveThirtyEight.com and Jon Stewart are more appropriate for the Left.<br>
<br>
Larry<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:23:42 -0400<br>
From: "<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>" <<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona<br>
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Reduce the military budget by 15% - we will still be bigger than the<br>
next 5 combined.<br>
Quit the military adventures in oil country - or send only the children<br>
of congress-people and senators...<br>
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From: Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona<br>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:02:41 -0400<br>
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<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Greg Freemyer <<a href="mailto:greg.freemyer@gmail.com">greg.freemyer@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Jim Kinney<br>
<<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<snip><br>
> We have nearly 10% unemployment. That sounds<br>
> scary. We have better than 90% employment. That's great!<br>
<br>
<br>
90% of what?<br>
<br>
<br>
if 10% is unemployed the rest must be employed or not looking.<br>
<br>
Yes it's wildly inaccurate. I was trying for a "see the bigger picture"<br>
process. The assumption is "of the people wanting to work, nearly 10%<br>
are unemployed so the other 90% must be employed".<br>
<br>
I'm well aware of the numbers that aren't visible, people who are no<br>
longer eligible for unemployment are no longer counted as<br>
"unemployed" (I think).<br>
<br>
I<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:44:04 -0400<br>
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Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona<br>
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On Mon July 12 2010, <a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a> wrote:<br>
> Reduce the military budget by 15% - we will still be bigger than the next 5<br>
> combined. Quit the military adventures in oil country - or send only the<br>
> children of congress-people and senators...<br>
<br>
we shouldn't need to be relying on the mid-east for oil, we have way more than<br>
THET do!<br>
<a href="http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html" target="_blank">http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html</a><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:06:28 -0400<br>
From: Richard Bronosky <Richard@Bronosky.com><br>
Subject: [ale] And now, on topic - laptop hardware recommendations<br>
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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My dad just had a mobo failure on his Acer One netbook and is looking<br>
for a replacement. It has to have Linux friendly components, of<br>
course, but other than that nothing is sacred but price. It could be<br>
anywhere between a netbook and a 15". Goal is to spend <$300 for a<br>
netbook or <$500 for a laptop.<br>
<br>
What brands do you trust?<br>
<br>
Which do you avoid?<br>
<br>
Are there any deals you would like to take advantage of this week?<br>
<br>
Are there any local deals worth me picking up for him?<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:10:10 -0400<br>
From: Larry Johnson <<a href="mailto:larryfeltonjohnson@gmail.com">larryfeltonjohnson@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Off topic - And now, Arizona<br>
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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You're citing a 2008 reference to an upcoming (at that time) press release<br>
about the Bakken oil field. As far as I know the expense of extracting the<br>
oil from that field is still a problem, and I haven't seen anything recent<br>
to suggest otherwise.<br>
<br>
I suspect that when the price of gasoline reaches a certain (higher) point<br>
the difficult fields will see more interest, but until that day articles<br>
like this are wishful thinking, and won't do a lot for the campaign much of<br>
the right seems to have unleashed to Bring Back the Hummer.<br>
<br>
Larry<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Paul Cartwright <<a href="mailto:ale@pcartwright.com">ale@pcartwright.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Mon July 12 2010, <a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a> wrote:<br>
> > Reduce the military budget by 15% - we will still be bigger than the next<br>
> 5<br>
> > combined. Quit the military adventures in oil country - or send only the<br>
> > children of congress-people and senators...<br>
><br>
> we shouldn't need to be relying on the mid-east for oil, we have way more<br>
> than<br>
> THET do!<br>
> <a href="http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html" target="_blank">http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Paul Cartwright<br>
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