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We need a series of entertaining linux-is-your-friend videos on youtube.<BR>
Wouldn't it be amazing if every one of your students HAD read the chapter?<BR>
The ones who have done the reading are much easier to teach that little thing they are missing.<BR>
I often wish the books I am required to teach from were interactive videos with a subplot about spies and aliens<BR>
so more students would stay interested (awake) long enough to get the main concepts.<BR>
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Let's make some blockbuster movies that include really understanding the posix standard as a major piece of the plot.<BR>
Or maybe the subtle differences between zfs, ext4 and jfs. <BR>
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Most people are much happier with bandaid (TM) fixes than true understanding when the issue is not central to their main focus.<BR>
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It is immature pedagogy to get frustrated with newbies for being newbies, however it seems as if hardly anybody inhabiting most newsgroups or irc nodes consider teaching to be their business. They are helping us for free so we should be grateful for whatever obtuse, incomplete answers we get. in a few months, we might find that the answer we got was right on target. By then we have had to burn down a couple more installs, and have seem more failures. <BR>
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I like instructing new students. They help me see where my own understanding is lacking.<BR>
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<B>From</B>: jrtroberts <<A HREF="mailto:jrtroberts%20%3cjrtroberts@gmail.com%3e">jrtroberts@gmail.com</A>><BR>
<B>Reply-to</B>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale@ale.org><BR>
<B>To</B>: <A HREF="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</A><BR>
<B>Subject</B>: Re: [ale] I am so tired of Linux Fanatics<BR>
<B>Date</B>: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:29:49 -0400<BR>
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:)<BR>
most of my griping about the command line and related issues, is from my perspective as one who is trying to recruit new members to the linux guild. I grew up with dos, and after 2 years of non stop CISCO training I am back in relative shape to deal with CLI. I just find it unattractive for people to be so snide and careless about how they speak to others who are trying to learn. <BR>
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I used to be an algebra tutor. If I told people that I wouldn't help them until they read the chapter and did more research on their own, they would: <BR>
1. stop coming to me to get help <BR>
2. fail the class if someone else didn't help them <BR>
3. and I would get fired <BR>
(not that irc channels are tutoring hot spots) <BR>
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Linux is a new language, not just a new operating system. If you were trying to learn spanish or german or russain and the people who could offer you help handed you a dictionary that was only in that native language, and spoke in slang derived from that other language when they told you how to use the dictionary learning would suck. <BR>
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I am bright enough to figure most of this out on my own, but I don't want to spend 3 days to 3 weeks reading about the OS. I want to be doing things with it. <BR>
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So yeah, I am a linux Newb and I guess I am lazy. So most of it is probably my fault. My time as a salesman should have taught me more about swimming with sharks. If you can't keep up, don't worry about staying on the porch, the sharks will eat you up anyway. Gotta keep moving and keep improving. <BR>
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I guess what I am saying is that there is so much I want to do with linux, and I want to do it all right now. My head is pounding from staying up until 5 am, or 8 am every day for the last 3 weeks tinkering with it and testing it. I am burning out and I am getting lazy when a new idea comes to my head, I would rather ask then read anymore stuff. <BR>
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I guess I need to keep a journal of things I want to do, and prioritize them and then work from there. Maybe I will scrum it out. (I doubt either will work, but they are ideas). I don't know, but I will get it figured out. And then the new challenge will be NOT turning into one of the people online that respond to questions with comments like: <BR>
<BR>
"are you a windows faggot?" <BR>
or <BR>
"GIYF!!" and no it does not mean Google is your friend in this context. <BR>
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Thanks for the positive support. I am probably just burning the candle at both ends while it hangs over a bon fire. But, that is kind of the way my mind grinds. It is always hungry for knowledge and I do my best to feed it. Linux is a great smörgåsbord, and I think I am over eating. <BR>
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8D <BR>
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Joshua <BR>
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On 07/07/10 19:13, David Tomaschik wrote:
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I like to consider myself a "Linux Fanatic", but I like to think that
I'm not smug, arrogant, or otherwise impatient with new users. Believe
it or not, I like to help people, and I especially like to help people
with their Linux issues. Sure, I'll sometimes make jokes when I'm
around other technical people (I love the BOFH series), but never at the
expense of anyone who actually made an effort. Check out
LinuxQuestions.org sometime when you have issues -- elitist attitudes
are not generally tolerated there. I've found IRC is made up of people
who need help, and people who enjoy making others feel bad.
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