um. yeah. keep us posted on the search for a <complex topic> group that doesn't have <smug bastards> with 3rd grade social skills and large sections of vertical learning curves. :-)<br><br> I can't tolerate the chat rooms. too much typing and not enough mental health advocacy...<br>
<br>CLI - like it or not, that's the heritage of *NIX and where the horsepower is hidden. From a gui perspective, it is _SO_ much easier than 15 years ago. At least it doesn't have a "registry" :-)<br><br>
Oh crap! <br>gconf. <br>stupid gnome. <br><br>At least is easily read and edited text files.<br><br>in XML. <br>everyones favorite markup language. <br>all the tags all the time - XML<br><br>Wanna have some fun?! Jump on a Mac board and ask what people think of Linux :-)<br>
Or jump on a ubuntu node and post question about fedora. or visa versa :-)<br><br>count to three. because the average emotion age of most zealots.<br><br>I should know. I'm a linux zealot and I'm better than you!<br>
<br>:-D<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, jrtroberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrtroberts@gmail.com">jrtroberts@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
This venting is from my experience on the freenode ##linux channel<br>
<br>
Being a new user to Linux I am feeling very militant at the moment. I<br>
wouldn't mind a live internet feed featuring the torture and death of<br>
smug, violent, self righteous Linux fanatics that attack the least bit<br>
of ignorance from a new user. If I knew of a way to put an end to it I<br>
would, but sadly I don't. (well maybe non-violent communication). I<br>
know this self-righteous attitude is also a part of any 'camp' be it<br>
windows, mathematics, OS X, science, gaming. There are those that<br>
believe that somehow they are superior for understanding something that<br>
is seen as complex to others, and even though they were most likely<br>
taught by someone else, they refuse to politely offer information.<br>
<br>
They have to intimidate, undermine the efforts of, and nearly obliterate<br>
the self confidence of any new user who does not understand what is<br>
going on in the linux world. Honestly it makes me ill, and I almost<br>
don't want to be a part of the linux community because of it.<br>
<br>
The OS is too complicated and granular for even advanced Windows users<br>
to step into quickly. The manuals can be a vast, sparsely written,<br>
codex of geek speak that requires an interpreter for most non-geek<br>
non-technical users to understand. Combine this with the attitudes of<br>
many linux users and it makes learning about this fabulous operating<br>
system feel like walking across a room full of broken glass. Added to<br>
the mix is the fact that linux is still not a user friendly environment<br>
for non-hackers and non-geeks and you still need to be able to handle<br>
CLI's comfortably to use the operating system effectively.<br>
<br>
All of the issues with windows, its licenses, the costs, the crashes and<br>
memory leaks, the backroom deals, etc. and the effect they can have on a<br>
person is more than matched by the vehemence that these over zealous<br>
weasels and their neolithic territorial pissing grounds, marking their<br>
virtual domains and attacking anyone who doesn't meet with their<br>
standards. They are like hellish gatekeepers to a cyber garden of eden.<br>
<br>
I know this rant probably resembles a temper tantrum from an enraged 3rd<br>
grader, but it has really gotten to the point that I am discouraged from<br>
exploring any further into this operating system. I am beginning to<br>
hate it because of the blind hatred many linux users have for 'Newbs' or<br>
people that are green or curious yet ignorant. And that hatred and<br>
these attacks are coloring my view of linux. And I am the founder of a<br>
Pro Linux group at my former college, which adds to the sick feeling in<br>
my gut.<br>
<br>
Anyway I am feeling better after having vented, maybe I will feel better<br>
if I actually post this. Maybe I will also be scathed by ALE members<br>
and have to restrain my self from getting into a shouting match with<br>
someone in ALE that takes offense to this letter of disgruntlement,<br>
however poor the grammar and badly written.<br>
<br>
I think that I am so upset because I go out of my way to help others, no<br>
matter how simple the task, or how complicated. I rarely get annoyed<br>
when help others use a computer because I understand that it is a very<br>
unnatural act. Not everyone is wired with the problem solving<br>
capabilities and innate curiosity needed to dig into a computer and<br>
learn how to work with it, not just use it. As such I use patience and<br>
tolerance, but I don't tolerate people who attack those that are less<br>
fortunate or less educated on a topics. It is immature, selfish, and<br>
counter productive.<br>
<br>
<br>
Grrrr!! what a pain in the ass.<br>
<br>
<br>
Joshua Roberts<br>
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