<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Lol<br>
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I've seen many a Java zombie in my day...<br></blockquote><div><br>programmers or just people standing around at starbucks?? <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:54 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!<br>
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On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 14:41, Lightner, Jeff <<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> One of my favorite Heinlein stories is about a girl who gets knocked up by a<br>
> stranger who swept her off her feet then abandoned her. She has the baby<br>
> and gives it up for adoption. Turns out she's a hermaphrodite and the<br>
> pregnancy/birth has messed her up so much the doctor gives her a sex<br>
> change. Later as a young man he is approached by an older guy who recruits<br>
> him into the time police. One of the first things he does is goes back in<br>
> time to find the guy that knocked him up when he was a woman. He can't<br>
> however, resist, having sex with his younger female self so it turns out<br>
> he's the one who knocked himself up. After the female self gives birth he<br>
> takes the baby (a little girl) and puts it with the folks that raised him -<br>
> as it turns out the baby is him. After several years he goes back in time<br>
> and recruits his younger male self into the time police. He ends by saying<br>
> "I know who I am but where did all you zombies come from?"<br>
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Behold the power of Java!<br>
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from overview question to RAH's "All You Zombies" in 7 messages.....<br>
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> From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jim<br>
> Kinney<br>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:22 PM<br>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<br>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!<br>
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> But java is self-documenting! All you need to do is run your working source<br>
> code through....<br>
><br>
> yep! it's self-referencing closed loop process - to learn java is to know<br>
> java is to learn java is...<br>
><br>
> It's like the watch in the movie "Somewhere in time" with Cristopher Reeves.<br>
> At a conference, an old woman gives him a pocket watch. He goes back in time<br>
> and gives that watch to her younger self. Who made the watch?<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Dylan Northrup <<a href="mailto:ale@doc-x.net">ale@doc-x.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> And it also seems that, whatever you're trying to do, there's not a good,<br>
> piece by piece tutorial for putting things together a bit at a time. The<br>
> HOWTOs and tutorials I've seen always seem to have a step that goes<br>
> something like the following:<br>
><br>
> Step ???: Download the following jar files: <insert names of several<br>
> libraries author finds useful>. Now type out the code below and magical<br>
> stuff will happen because all the hard work is done by the libraries you've<br>
> downloaded in the trivial case I've outlined below that doesn't cover what<br>
> you want to be able to do.<br>
><br>
> Ok, I admit, many times the author is not straightforward about admitting<br>
> that last bit, but it almost always seems to be the case. It's not that I'm<br>
> against useful libraries, but I've not found an author that a) introduces<br>
> their libs one at a time, b) gives a thorough description of the libraries<br>
> they're using, what the specific benefits are, c) provides more than one<br>
> scenario for the libraries they use or d) any combination of these.<br>
><br>
> So, if you're trying to do exactly what the HOWTO author is doing, you're<br>
> good to go. If you want to do something else, the HOWTO doesn't cover it<br>
> and, depending on what set of libraries you've installed, you may have to<br>
> jump through an enormous number of hoops to be able to do something that<br>
> seems like a simple expansion on what the HOWTO covered, but isn't because<br>
> the methods you need aren't implemented in the libraries.<br>
> </rant><br>
><br>
> If someone can point me to the documentation or books I've been unable to<br>
> find that explain things clearly, incrementally and thoroughly (more than<br>
> one or tow use cases), I would be eternally grateful.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, James Sumners <<a href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com">james.sumners@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree. It seems to me that this answer is really "depends on what<br>
> you're trying to do." In my case, I have to learn Java (the easiest<br>
> part) + Libraries + Tomcat + whatever else is needed to run/administer<br>
> my portal.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Dylan Northrup <<a href="mailto:ale@doc-x.net">ale@doc-x.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Actually, I think that'd be precisely the wrong place to start. The<br>
>> tutorials there are presented on specific technologies, but are not put<br>
>> into<br>
>> any overall context and there is nothing to tie the tutorials together or<br>
>> show when and where they're supposed to be used. I know this because I am<br>
>> in the same position as Pete, have been looking for a similar "Guide to<br>
>> the<br>
>> Java Ecosystem" and found Sun's Java tutorials to be utterly lacking in<br>
>> that<br>
>> respect. Sun's site is great for learning how to implement the specific<br>
>> technologies, but not on why you'd want to implement those technologies,<br>
>> IMO. YMMV.<br>
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