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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 02, 2010 3:32
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans
and .jars, oh my!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Lightner, Jeff <<a
href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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I've seen many a Java zombie in my day...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of Pete
Hardie<br>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:54 PM<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!<br>
<br>
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 14:41, Lightner, Jeff <<a
href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> One of my favorite Heinlein stories is about a girl who gets knocked up by
a<br>
> stranger who swept her off her feet then abandoned her. She has the
baby<br>
> and gives it up for adoption. Turns out she's a hermaphrodite and
the<br>
> pregnancy/birth has messed her up so much the doctor gives her a sex<br>
> change. Later as a young man he is approached by an older guy who
recruits<br>
> him into the time police. One of the first things he does is goes
back in<br>
> time to find the guy that knocked him up when he was a woman. He
can't<br>
> however, resist, having sex with his younger female self so it turns out<br>
> he's the one who knocked himself up. After the female self gives
birth he<br>
> takes the baby (a little girl) and puts it with the folks that raised him
-<br>
> as it turns out the baby is him. After several years he goes back in
time<br>
> and recruits his younger male self into the time police. He ends by
saying<br>
> "I know who I am but where did all you zombies come from?"<br>
<br>
Behold the power of Java!<br>
<br>
from overview question to RAH's "All You Zombies" in 7 messages.....<br>
<br>
<br>
:)<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf
Of Jim<br>
> Kinney<br>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:22 PM<br>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<br>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> But java is self-documenting! All you need to do is run your working
source<br>
> code through....<br>
><br>
> yep! it's self-referencing closed loop process - to learn java is to know<br>
> java is to learn java is...<br>
><br>
> It's like the watch in the movie "Somewhere in time" with
Cristopher Reeves.<br>
> At a conference, an old woman gives him a pocket watch. He goes back in
time<br>
> and gives that watch to her younger self. Who made the watch?<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Dylan Northrup <<a
href="mailto:ale@doc-x.net">ale@doc-x.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> And it also seems that, whatever you're trying to do, there's not a good,<br>
> piece by piece tutorial for putting things together a bit at a time.
The<br>
> HOWTOs and tutorials I've seen always seem to have a step that goes<br>
> something like the following:<br>
><br>
> Step ???: Download the following jar files: <insert names
of several<br>
> libraries author finds useful>. Now type out the code below and
magical<br>
> stuff will happen because all the hard work is done by the libraries
you've<br>
> downloaded in the trivial case I've outlined below that doesn't cover what<br>
> you want to be able to do.<br>
><br>
> Ok, I admit, many times the author is not straightforward about admitting<br>
> that last bit, but it almost always seems to be the case. It's not that
I'm<br>
> against useful libraries, but I've not found an author that a) introduces<br>
> their libs one at a time, b) gives a thorough description of the libraries<br>
> they're using, what the specific benefits are, c) provides more than one<br>
> scenario for the libraries they use or d) any combination of these.<br>
><br>
> So, if you're trying to do exactly what the HOWTO author is doing, you're<br>
> good to go. If you want to do something else, the HOWTO doesn't
cover it<br>
> and, depending on what set of libraries you've installed, you may have to<br>
> jump through an enormous number of hoops to be able to do something that<br>
> seems like a simple expansion on what the HOWTO covered, but isn't because<br>
> the methods you need aren't implemented in the libraries.<br>
> </rant><br>
><br>
> If someone can point me to the documentation or books I've been unable to<br>
> find that explain things clearly, incrementally and thoroughly (more than<br>
> one or tow use cases), I would be eternally grateful.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, James Sumners <<a
href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com">james.sumners@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree. It seems to me that this answer is really "depends on what<br>
> you're trying to do." In my case, I have to learn Java (the easiest<br>
> part) + Libraries + Tomcat + whatever else is needed to run/administer<br>
> my portal.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Dylan Northrup <<a
href="mailto:ale@doc-x.net">ale@doc-x.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Actually, I think that'd be precisely the wrong place to start.
The<br>
>> tutorials there are presented on specific technologies, but are not
put<br>
>> into<br>
>> any overall context and there is nothing to tie the tutorials together
or<br>
>> show when and where they're supposed to be used. I know this
because I am<br>
>> in the same position as Pete, have been looking for a similar
"Guide to<br>
>> the<br>
>> Java Ecosystem" and found Sun's Java tutorials to be utterly
lacking in<br>
>> that<br>
>> respect. Sun's site is great for learning how to implement the
specific<br>
>> technologies, but not on why you'd want to implement those
technologies,<br>
>> IMO. YMMV.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> James Sumners<br>
> <a href="http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/" target="_blank">http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/</a><br>
><br>
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts<br>
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it<br>
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become<br>
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."<br>
><br>
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)<br>
> CH:D 59<br>
><br>
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