<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
One problem with trying to be responsible is that smaller cars only fit<br>
smaller people. Being 6'3" and ...umm... full figured I find few<br>
"cars" that actually fit me. </blockquote><div><br>resisting urge to comment about food shortages.... :-)<br><br><as I look at the "shelf" that is where my belly is...><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Despite that I've shopped around and<br>
found cars that do and resisted the urge to simply get a pickup or SUV<br>
even though I know many of of them will.<br>
<br>
If "public transportation" actually went from point to point AND was<br>
policed so that thugs and lunatics didn't make it unbearable more people<br>
would probably prefer to use it. Having had to use it back when I was<br>
young and poor and had cheap auto insurance taught me that it is fairly<br>
worthless and only masochists would willingly subject themselves to its<br>
use if they could afford any other method.<br>
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<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">I had a BMW Z3 in 1997. My friend had a Geo Metro.<br>
<br>
My cost per mile for tires was higher than his cost per mile in gas.<br>
His cost for tires was just a little bit less than the cost of tax on my<br>
tires.<br>
<br>
I am not exaggerating.<br>
<br>
My opinion is that the government should not set artificial milage<br>
requirements for the automakers.<br>
The government should just tax gas such that people will make better<br>
choices for which cars they buy and which cars they drive.<br>
Automakers will respond to people's preferences by building cars that<br>
get better gas milage.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Tom Freeman<br>
<<a href="mailto:tfreeman@intel.digichem.net">tfreeman@intel.digichem.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Well, the majority of the race seems to lack the desire/ability/<br>
> education (pick one or more blame points, or add one) to make much of<br>
> any choice except on the basis of upfront cost.<br>
><br>
> How often have you had the conversation with somebody about to, or<br>
> justifying the purchase of a SUV where the _only_ cost that they<br>
> consider is the cost of the fuel to drive it somewhere? Funny thing<br>
is,<br>
> fuel cost is a fraction of the total cost of driving, yet the cost of<br>
> fuel drives the whole dynamic because it is visible.<br>
><br>
> My Mazda 6 is getting about 30 mpg overall at the moment. With fuel<br>
> running about $2.70/gal, that works out to about $0.09/mile. Capital<br>
> cost happens to run about, wait for it, $0.09/mile (I was able to pay<br>
> cash - it will be higher if you have to finance). I haven't figured<br>
the<br>
> maintanace on this car, but the last one worked out to perhaps $0.06/<br>
> mile over 270,000 miles. Add in insurance at something near or better<br>
> than $0.05/mile (in my case - YMWV), and you might see the cost of<br>
> driving is at least three, probably four times the cost of fuel -<br>
> assuming that all the costs are accounted for. Plus the cost of<br>
> maintaining the roadway is almost impossible to account for here, as<br>
> there are multiple sources of funding (including but not limited to<br>
the<br>
> road use tax on fuel.)<br>
><br>
> What I'm trying to suggest is that "price saver" mentality isn't the<br>
> only force in play here. There is also the hiding of costs through<br>
> various mechanisms The bright people around here can probably add two<br>
> or three more cost hiding/transfer mechanisms in further discussion.<br>
><br>
> Jim - I do so agree that we need to own up to our participation in the<br>
> whole process, and not foist the responisiblity off onto somebody or<br>
> something else. My driving habits drive the need for more oil wells,<br>
> oil wells will leak/spill oil even if handled with the highest degree<br>
> of professionalism, so part of the "fault" of the catastrophe in the<br>
> gulf is mine. The owners/stockholders of record at the time of the<br>
> blowout have a larger, more direct responsibility since they own the<br>
> entity which acted in a less than perfectly professional manner. (If<br>
> you want the profits - you should take responsibilty for the oopes<br>
> also. IMHO)<br>
><br>
> On 06/18/2010 11:25:55 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
>> I am willing to pay MUCH more on my plane tickets if the extra $$<br>
>> goes<br>
>> to<br>
>> improve service and reliability and safety, etc.<br>
>><br>
>> We have developed too much of the walmart mentality for my tastes.<br>
>> cut<br>
>> costs<br>
>> to save $ with no regard for the quality (or lack) or damage it does<br>
>> to the<br>
>> surrounding.<br>
>><br>
>> We _so_ need to start evaluating our own individual participation in<br>
>> the<br>
>> process around us.<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Greg Freemyer<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:greg.freemyer@gmail.com">greg.freemyer@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Damn,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I guess we should blame the passengers if a commercial airplane<br>
>> > crashes due to poor maintenance and pilot error.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Greg<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 6/18/10, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > <a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2010/05/31/mike-luckovich-" target="_blank">http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2010/05/31/mike-luckovich-</a><br>
>> june-1-cartoon/<br>
>> > ><br>
> <<snip for brevity>><br>
><br>
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