If I ever sell a couple of my servers and laptops (I am broke with no full time employment), I will buy one, just to throw android on it, and other Linux distros for the heck of it.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ale-request@ale.org">ale-request@ale.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the chinese<br>
7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet? (Byron Jeff)<br>
2. Re: OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the chinese<br>
7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet? (Damon L. Chesser)<br>
3. O'Reilly's "X Power Tools": Way Fun (Charles Shapiro)<br>
4. Re: OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the chinese<br>
7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet? (Brian Pitts)<br>
5. Re: O'Reilly's "X Power Tools": Way Fun (mute wonder)<br>
6. ReSolved: TFTP in ubuntu-9.04 -- a well-worn path (John Mills)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:17:32 -0400<br>
From: Byron Jeff <<a href="mailto:byronjeff@clayton.edu">byronjeff@clayton.edu</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the<br>
chinese 7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet?<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 10:13:26AM -0400, Van Loggins wrote:<br>
> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Android-7-WiFi-mini-laptop-Netbook-ul-thin-450MHz-2GB-/110537856068?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item19bc91d444" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/Android-7-WiFi-mini-laptop-Netbook-ul-thin-450MHz-2GB-/110537856068?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item19bc91d444</a><br>
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> I was looking at getting one with the google android OS on it instead of the windows CE 5.0 variants I've seen<br>
<br>
My daughter won one in a contest. I haven't gotten around to trying to<br>
install Linux on it yet.<br>
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><br>
> I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to play with one and what your thoughts were on it.<br>
<br>
Small, slow, cheap, cheesy. Almost like a toy.<br>
<br>
But for sub $100 and the tiny form factor, it has just enough accessibility<br>
to be marginally useful.<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
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> I'm looking at getting one or maybe one of the google tablets like this<br>
> one<br>
> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Google-Android-notebook-Netbook-Tablet-PC-UMPC-MID-/160439967941?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item255af7a0c5" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Google-Android-notebook-Netbook-Tablet-PC-UMPC-MID-/160439967941?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item255af7a0c5</a><br>
> instead.<br>
<br>
<br>
Looks about the same as the others.<br>
<br>
It may be worth $100 just to play. But walk in with low expectations.<br>
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BAJ<br>
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> Thanks for your feedback.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:53:49 -0400<br>
From: "Damon L. Chesser" <<a href="mailto:damon@damtek.com">damon@damtek.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the<br>
chinese 7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet?<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 12:17 -0400, Byron Jeff wrote:<br>
> On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 10:13:26AM -0400, Van Loggins wrote:<br>
> > <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Android-7-WiFi-mini-laptop-Netbook-ul-thin-450MHz-2GB-/110537856068?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item19bc91d444" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/Android-7-WiFi-mini-laptop-Netbook-ul-thin-450MHz-2GB-/110537856068?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item19bc91d444</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I was looking at getting one with the google android OS on it instead of the windows CE 5.0 variants I've seen<br>
><br>
> My daughter won one in a contest. I haven't gotten around to trying to<br>
> install Linux on it yet.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to play with one and what your thoughts were on it.<br>
><br>
> Small, slow, cheap, cheesy. Almost like a toy.<br>
><br>
> But for sub $100 and the tiny form factor, it has just enough accessibility<br>
> to be marginally useful.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
> > I'm looking at getting one or maybe one of the google tablets like this<br>
> > one<br>
> > <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Google-Android-notebook-Netbook-Tablet-PC-UMPC-MID-/160439967941?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item255af7a0c5" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Google-Android-notebook-Netbook-Tablet-PC-UMPC-MID-/160439967941?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item255af7a0c5</a><br>
> > instead.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Looks about the same as the others.<br>
><br>
> It may be worth $100 just to play. But walk in with low expectations.<br>
><br>
> BAJ<br>
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Well, of course it is not a work horse. I have been looking at the<br>
tablet things for a while. I am thinking if they have a terminal and<br>
ssh they make a pretty good tool for the admin. Sadly I am told the<br>
Ipad does not have a terminal built in and you have to hack it and that<br>
is not reliable yet.<br>
<br>
What about android? Will that give you network access w/terms and ssh?<br>
<br>
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> > Thanks for your feedback.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:19:27 -0400<br>
From: Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ale] O'Reilly's "X Power Tools": Way Fun<br>
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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Wow, X_Power_Tools_ ( Chris Tyler, O'Reilly Books, 2008) is really<br>
fun! I've pretty much used X as a horse, but learning about xdpyinfo<br>
and starting **two** X servers on at once on my dev box was pretty<br>
neato! This book could change my attitudes.<br>
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-- CHS<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:22:03 -0400<br>
From: Brian Pitts <<a href="mailto:brian@polibyte.com">brian@polibyte.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: has anyone on the list tried out one of the<br>
chinese 7" netbooks that ebay is being flooded with yet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:damon@damtek.com">damon@damtek.com</a>, "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!"<br>
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On 06/05/2010 12:53 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:<br>
> Well, of course it is not a work horse. I have been looking at the<br>
> tablet things for a while. I am thinking if they have a terminal and<br>
> ssh they make a pretty good tool for the admin. Sadly I am told the<br>
> Ipad does not have a terminal built in and you have to hack it and that<br>
> is not reliable yet.<br>
><br>
> What about android? Will that give you network access w/terms and ssh?<br>
<br>
I don't think I'd want to bash on the onscreen keyboard of a 7" tablet<br>
for very long.<br>
<br>
The trouble with all the android tablets is that google does not allow<br>
them to access the android market. Only phones are allowed to do that.<br>
Thus installing new software may be challenging.<br>
<br>
Any time I've seen devices like these mentioned on engadget it's a case<br>
of 'you get what you pay for'. Personally I'd love to play with one of<br>
the $100-$200 android tablets coming out of the Asian market, but I<br>
wouldn't pay that price unless I could return it.<br>
<br>
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All the best,<br>
Brian Pitts<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:57:41 -0400<br>
From: mute wonder <<a href="mailto:mutewonder@gmail.com">mutewonder@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] O'Reilly's "X Power Tools": Way Fun<br>
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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I fiddle around with settings a lot, but don't get into the<br>
behind-the-scenes, 'power user' stuff much. For instance, I ran 2 X<br>
sessions simultaneously for the first time just a few months ago. :/<br>
<br>
So kudos, and any other neat things in there?<br>
<br>
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Wow, X_Power_Tools_ ( Chris Tyler, O'Reilly Books, 2008) is really<br>
> fun! ?I've pretty much used X as a horse, but learning about xdpyinfo<br>
> and starting **two** X servers on at once on my dev box was pretty<br>
> neato! ?This book could change my attitudes.<br>
><br>
> -- CHS<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:07:04 -0400 (EDT)<br>
From: John Mills <<a href="mailto:johnmills@speakeasy.net">johnmills@speakeasy.net</a>><br>
Subject: [ale] ReSolved: TFTP in ubuntu-9.04 -- a well-worn path<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
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Paul -<br>
<br>
Thanks - it was very useful to examine recent updates in detail.<br>
<br>
I didn't see any explicit changes to tftpd, xinetd, or iptables: these<br>
were mainly updates of the Linux kernel binary, source, and headers.<br>
Something may have been hidden in the postinstall activities, but nothing<br>
stood out clearly.<br>
<br>
HOWEVER when I went back over '/etc/xinted.conf' and '/etc/xinetd.d/tftp'<br>
I did notice a problem _I_ introduced somewhere in my thrhashing about:<br>
the TFTP service 'user' was still 'root'. I changed it to 'nobody' and was<br>
back in business. I still have no explanation why I had to reconstruct<br>
this file, but "any landing you walk away from is a good landing" (and one<br>
pilot friend says, "Any landing you can walk away from and still use the<br>
plane is an _excellent_ landing!").<br>
<br>
Certain firewalls still seem unhappy to pass UDP on port 69, but I'm not<br>
sweating the small stuff just now.<br>
<br>
I _sure_ hope this doesn't become a recurring event.<br>
<br>
Thanks to all who replied: I learned more about my 'ubuntu' installation<br>
-- always worthwhile time invested.<br>
<br>
- Mills<br>
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Paul Cartwright wrote:<br>
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> On Sat June 5 2010, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
>> In Fedora-land there's a log file /var/log/yum that tracks when and what on<br>
>> updates. I'm sure Ubuntu has a similar log (I would be shocked if it<br>
>> didn't).<br>
><br>
> try /var/log/apt . here is a tail of mine ( update done this morning)<br>
> paulandcilla:/var/log/apt# tail *.log<br>
...<br>
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