um. yeah. good luck with a budget balancing effort that involves raising the gas tax to pay for the war to keep cheap oil that priced spiked 2 years ago anyway as a test to see what we would tolerate before cutting back on driving ($5/gal). That was probably also a test run on the software that did the market "hiccup" a few weeks back </snark><br>
<br>I may not be right but my cynicism is genuine.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tom Freeman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tfreeman@intel.digichem.net">tfreeman@intel.digichem.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 06/01/2010 02:06:58 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:<br>
> On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:45 -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
><br>
> First things first: Jim you are a non-name caller! There, I said<br>
> it.<br>
><br>
> Second, in a more serious vain: When I heard the news I thought this<br>
> was an example of corners cut. I am former Navy, 10years, working<br>
> the<br>
> flight deck of carriers. Accidents don't just happen, they result<br>
> from<br>
> either previous unknown conditions are from cutting corners. Ocean<br>
> drilling has been going on for some time, so I have to think we were<br>
> cutting corners (figurative we). I am not against business, love<br>
> capitalism systems and wish we had one, but it is my gut reaction<br>
> that<br>
> BP is negligent on this and also the Government is to slow to move on<br>
> this and they should have been moving much, much faster. This kind<br>
> of<br>
> thing is what The Government is for.<br>
><br>
> I do not believe this should curtail further drilling. We should<br>
> perform postmortem to find the root cause and then make the resulting<br>
> conclusions codified to prevent the event from happening again.<br>
><br>
> The post by some one else listing the retired oil guy was<br>
> informative:<br>
> If he is right, this happened due to lack of experience in dealing<br>
> the<br>
> the pressure. It will still be expensive to fix (the damage of<br>
> surrounding shore line and economic effects of Gulf based<br>
> businesses).<br>
> But until we can replace petrol, we need to exploit what we have.<br>
</div></div><<snipage>><br>
An OT alert added just because...<br>
<br>
I _think_ we have had some discussions around here about some<br>
approaches to replacing/supplimenting drilled petroleum, but it has<br>
been a while. On this list we do have some people with enough<br>
engeneering background to make a decent beginning on some approaches.<br>
<br>
For the most part, those approaches are not on the table due to the<br>
percieved cost. After all, the _cost_ of most oil spills seems to get<br>
dropped on the area residents, the area critters, and so forth, and not<br>
directly passed on to the rest of the economic system as a price<br>
increase for well produced petroleum.<br>
<br>
Keeping troops stationed in the Middle East appears to have helped keep<br>
crude oil prices stable. But have we charged a fraction of that cost to<br>
the cost of fuel/chemicals? (And a great accounting question would be -<br>
how to apportion that cost)<br>
<br>
IMHO, YMMV and so forth.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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