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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>je<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font>Industry also claimed
removing the lead from paint was going to be cost prohibitive but we managed to
make it work any way.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course if you’d had to suffer through
those cars with the early catalytic converters in the late 70s early 80s you
might run screaming at the idea of a similar change. There was nothing more
fun than hitting the gas to merge onto an interstate (even at the nation 55 MPH
speed limit we had then) and waiting to see if the car would actually get up to
speed before that semi caught up with you. My Ford Granada did 0 to 60
eventually.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But I agree moving it to power generating
plants would help. Not only that since those are typically not all over like
the cars themselves localized concentrations of emissions might not be so bad
at ground level where we all breathe.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> ale-bounces@ale.org
[mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim
Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 25, 2010
11:41 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">damon@damtek.com</st1:PersonName>;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] [OT] Psychology
of Denial about Climate Change</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Damon L. Chesser <<a
href="mailto:damon@damtek.com">damon@damtek.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Wed, 2010-02-24 at
23:06 -0500, Pete Hardie wrote:<br>
> I am not stepping into the climate briar patch, but I would like to<br>
> see the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
get off the oil kick.<br>
> If we can convert to all electric cars, etc, we get more independence,<br>
> less pollution, quieter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How are you going to generate all that electricity? You do know
that<br>
electric cars just move the source of the pollution, not eliminate it,<br>
right? Instead of your tail pipe, you move the "carbon" to a
power<br>
plant. Did I mention, due to the laws of supply and demand, now your<br>
home heating/electric bill is going to dramatically go up? Imagine at<br>
6pm when 4.5 million people in ATL get home and plug in their cars.<br>
BOOM! Big brown out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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One advantage of moving the pollution source from mobile to stationary is
remediation becomes feasible. At this time, we have no technology in place or
even on the drawing board that can sequester CO, CO2, O3, NOx stack outputs
that are not claimed by industry to be cost prohibitive. <br>
<br>
Industry also claimed removing the lead from paint was going to be cost
prohibitive but we managed to make it work any way.<br>
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> roads, and I can top off my car at home (solar, grid power, or even<br>
> put the dog on a treadmill generator)<br>
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> Wouldn't it be great to not worry about what the <st1:place w:st="on">Middle
East</st1:place> is doing?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On this we agree. Dare I say, Drill hear, Drill now?<br>
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I can't find the reference (bookmarked elsewhere on another machine) to the
discussion that if the entire planet were just a thin crust 2 miles thick and
the remaining insides were nothing but oil, at the current rate of growth in
energy consumption based on oil, we would still run out in about 300
years.<br>
<br>
If oil costs 10x what it does now, the obesity problem would abate as people
had to actually _do_work_ instead of having a machine do it for them.<br>
<br>
When gas prices hit the $5/gal amount, the roads were far less congested and the
EPA reported a notable drop in metropolitan air pollution.<br>
<br>
A better solution to traffic congestion is not to widen roads but to raise the
gas taxes thus forcing people to be more prudent in their consumption. Take the
revenue and spend it better ways to move large quantities of people and explore
short run smaller-scale people movers (automatic trollys, flywheel busses from
neighborhoods to larger shopping areas and other people movers - i.e. make the
planner actually PLAN! ) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Damon<br>
<a href="mailto:damon@damtek.com">damon@damtek.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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