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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course since it is a “global”
rather than “local” issue one of the few things I agreed with the
Bush administration about was making sure so called “developing”
countries that have more people than we do (e.g.. <st1:country-region w:st="on">China</st1:country-region>
and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>)
be held to the same standards for emission control in their factories and cars.
I’d also get rid of so called “carbon credits” which are a
joke of the worst sort.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 02, 2009
9:31 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Disappointed in
the recent climate research hack</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, david w. millians <<a
href="mailto:millia@panix.com">millia@panix.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
> As far as I can tell the only consensus in the field is that CO2 and<br>
> methane are "greenhouse gasses" and that an accumulation of them
will<br>
> cause a change in global average temperature. What is under hot debate,<br>
> often with political and economic overtones and undercurrents, is how<br>
> much change and how fast. It is well understood from analysis of Venus<br>
> that a high CO2 atmosphere will act like a thermal blanket.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Seems obvious, but is it? I don't know. And that's the best way to<br>
approach science. I am concerned with some of the lockstep behavior in<br>
all of this; I *think* maybe we have started to affect things- goodness<br>
knows we don't get weather like we used to in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Athens</st1:place></st1:City>, but that could<br>
just be part of a cycle. There's just not enough data...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Actually there is enough data to support a very generalized conclusion that
anthropogenic CO2 will have a impact on a global, not local, climate with an
effect of raising the average surface temperature over time. Due to politics
and economics, the tremendous amounts of data needed to reasonable accurately
predict the rate of change in that surface temperature is not currently being
collected. To do so will require a global effort scaled up from something
similar to the Manhattan Project but scaled for global deployment. Most
developed countries don't want the data at the political level. Knowledge of
the impact to their economic system of what they will have to do to mitigate
their impact is too great of a change from business as usual.<br>
<br>
Weather changes noticeable at the local level are in the normal fluctuation
zones for short-scale observations. A warmer or colder winter in a particular
region is neither proof nor refutation of global climate change. "My
marble is red therefore all marbles are red" is a logical fallacy and
similar to the arguments espoused by proponents and opponents alike when using a
local data set to justify their particular viewpoint.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Professor Lindzen is a very reasonable voice of opposition in some of<br>
> the conclusions presented by committees of climate science paper<br>
> reviewers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And we need more voices like his...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> He also is an opponent of linking smoking to lung cancer<br>
> (he's a smoker).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>...except for the fact that he's a gold-plated idiot. Sheesh. You want<br>
to be an idiot, that's fine*, but please don't muddy the waters for<br>
people who aren't smart enough to know better. Correlation is causation<br>
here. Not everybody who gets lung cancer smokes- but it's a 4:1 ratio.<br>
<br>
*not near me, please.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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