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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would have reported them to the EEOC.
Age (so long as you’re not a minor) is not supposed to be a factor in
jobs and such insistence clearly indicated they were making it a factor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Stanaland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
3:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] My resume</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>When IBM outsourced my
... err .. I mean when there was a restructuring in my group, the firm that
helped us do resumes insisted I not put my high school graduation year on my
resume because it made figuring out my age easy. Not that it couldn't be
figured out from the date of my first job!<br>
Brian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse <<a
href="mailto:jeremy.bouse@undergrid.net">jeremy.bouse@undergrid.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> I've actually been told similarly before by recruiters
that it's<br>
better to have a longer resume than try to cut it down to a page. I had<br>
my resume online on my website and when printed out was around 4-5 pages<br>
and when they asked for a .DOC copy I had a 1 page version. They told me<br>
I was selling myself short and asked me to revise and send it back with<br>
more detail. Since then I've not bothered to try and trim for page count<br>
but rather to just keep relevant work experience documented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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PhotoDrag0n wrote:<br>
> I currently work for a headhunter agency, and i see a lot of resume's<br>
> come across as pdf files. If you can create them embedded, it makes it a<br>
> lot harder for recruiters to edit them.<br>
> At the same time, there are reasons that recruiters will edit the<br>
> resume, some is for your protection and some is for theirs. If they<br>
> include your direct contact, they could be cut out of the loop and loose<br>
> their commission on your placement.<br>
> While I see both sides of this practice, its the least of my complaints<br>
> in the current market, the worst offense is the outsourcing of<br>
> recruiting to overseas call centers that are given little or no<br>
> information about the position they are harvesting resume's for. These<br>
> drones don't even understand the questions you may ask or the<br>
> information you have on your resume.<br>
><br>
> Personally, my resume is up to 8 pages and thats with dropping of some<br>
> old positions that have little reference to my current skills and goals.<br>
> The odd thing is, I mentioned it to some of the recruiters here and they<br>
> made the comment "So, your trying to make your resume look
younger" so<br>
> it seems they may judge a person's age by the length of their resume.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Drag0n<br>
><br>
> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeff Lightner</st1:PersonName> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> This all reminds me of the old advice to put your paper resume on
slightly outsize paper so that it stands when they shuffle a stack on the
theory it might make them pull it from the stack to look at it first.<br>
>><br>
>> An instructor pointed out rightly IMHO that the person shuffling the
stack might just as easily go "Hmmm this doesn't fit." And toss in
the trash so they'll have a neat stack.<br>
>><br>
>> While making it easier to prevent tampering with your resume sounds
like a good idea it might not turn out to be such a good one if potential
employers have to jump through hoops to read it. This is especially so
given that most resumes don't go directly to the hiring manager but rather
through recruiters, human resources and possibly the manager's boss(es) before
it gets to him (if it ever does).<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf
Of Jim Kinney<br>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:31 PM<br>
>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run
Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
>> Subject: Re: [ale] My resume<br>
>><br>
>> If you _REALLY_ want to be able to have someone verify that your<br>
>> resume did in fact come from you unchanged...<br>
>> <a href="http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/57554" target="_blank">http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/57554</a><br>
>><br>
>> Requires OpenOffice.org and some config time and a signed cert.<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Rev. Johnny Healey <<a
href="mailto:rev.null@gmail.com">rev.null@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I was joking. Aside from the impracticality of putting the
md5 of the<br>
>>> file in the file, there would be nothing stopping the recruiter
from<br>
>>> taking it out.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Johnny<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Geoffrey <<a
href="mailto:lists@serioustechnology.com">lists@serioustechnology.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Rev. Johnny Healey wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:14 AM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeff
Lightner</st1:PersonName> <<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Most headhunters will put their own spin on your
resume before sending it to an employer by the way. You need to make sure
you find out what modifications they are doing before they send it as sometimes
they get it wrong.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> That's why I stick the md5sum of my resume at the bottom
of the page,<br>
>>>>> so that the employers can easily verify that it hasn't
been altered.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>> How exactly do you do that? If you take the md5sum of
the doc, then add<br>
>>>> it to the doc, you've changed the doc. Or do you mean as
a separate<br>
>>>> doc? Then they don't have to send that page.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Inquiring minds want to know.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Until later, Geoffrey<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Those who would give up essential <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Liberty</st1:place></st1:City>, to purchase a little<br>
>>>> temporary Safety, deserve neither <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Liberty</st1:place></st1:City> nor Safety.<br>
>>>> - Benjamin Franklin<br>
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