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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>They might have - either he’d have
tripped over the cone (better than falling down a manhole I daresay) because it
was directly ahead of him or he’d have a chance to see it peripherally if not.
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also in my experience usually work around
man holes isn’t demarcated simply by a couple of cones – usually there’s a bit
of an enclosure around it – more for the safety of the folks going down the
hole (on purpose) than for others.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Saying people shouldn’t be morons and not
paying attention isn’t wrong but that also doesn’t give license to ignore basic
safety precautions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] OT: Out in left
field or in the sewers of The Big Apple</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Jeff Lightner <<a
href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Still - why were the putting up safety cones AFTER
opening the manhole?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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safety cones would not have prevented the idiot from falling in. cones first,
open hole second seems reasonable. Yet I've seen open hole, look in to
determine if that's where they need to be, determine yes, drop cones.<br>
<br>
It's my feet I'm in charge of. Step in dog poo, yes the dog dropped it, the
owner didn't clean it up, but it's _still_ my feet.<br>
<br>
Sheesh. I thought I was "one of the liberals" here :-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Most OSHA requirements deal with setting up safety
environment first and then starting the work. Attaching a tether on a
high rise after you’ve started your fall seldom works…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 13, 2009 2:22
PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux!<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] OT: Out in left
field or in the sewers of The Big Apple<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bozo child was a teenager (definition of dumb in many
cases). Workers were apparently standing there setting up safety cones. All I read
out if this was: stupid teen was NOT paying attention and walked into a hole.
She could have just as easily fallen into traffic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Do we have to resort to this?<br>
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1724522,00.html"
target="_blank">http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1724522,00.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon,
Jul 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Richard Bronosky <<a
href="mailto:Richard@bronosky.com" target="_blank">Richard@bronosky.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm
sorry, I have to agree with the parents on this one. Knowingly<br>
leaving a manhole cover off without a barrier is unacceptable. We are<br>
all eager to condemn a pop-tart on a cellphone, but as the father of a<br>
1 & 2 year old I don't like the idea that there could be a > 2ft<br>
diameter hole in a sidewalk.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Scott Castaline<<a
href="mailto:skotchman@gmail.com" target="_blank">skotchman@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> How low can we go?!?! Saw this in Wired<br>
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> <a
href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/girl-falls-into-manhole-while-texting-parents-sue/"
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/girl-falls-into-manhole-while-texting-parents-sue/</a><br>
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.!# RichardBronosky #!.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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