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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You’re right there is no way to not leave
traces. My concern about Google though isn’t that you’re leaving traces but
that they actively attempt to track and store those traces all in one
location. I’d rather someone had to dig a little if they want information
about people. The potential for abuse by one corporation (or one corporation
giving governments free range) is immense. Look at the agreements they’ve
already made with the Chinese government to help suppress freedom of
information. Should we assume that behind the scenes they aren’t actively
providing information to that government so they can stay in business?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is similar to why I dislike MS. It
wasn’t because they didn’t make usable products (not saying “quality” products).
I was because they felt that wasn’t sufficient and tried to push everyone else
out of the market (whichever one they were in) by practices that both the E.U.
and the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region>
(pre-W) decided were monopolistic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Philips<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 08, 2009
5:50 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Google Chrome
just got a lot better on Linux</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I care about privacy too
and I have thought about this a lot. But if the network is going to be the
village where you work, play and transact business, how exactly are you going
to do that without leaving traces behind? I don't see any interest from the general
public in encrypting all e-mail traffic with PGP and obscuring their Web habits
with Tor. The simple truth is that there is so much of that data that
practically nobody is especially interested in knowing the real details about
you or me. If I get a few targeted ads, I'll ignore those to the same degree
that I always ignored TV ads. Most mega-companies don't have much interest in
us beyond analyzing our behavior in the aggregate. After that it's not much
worth doing. I do get rattled when I hear that AT&T and others shared our
data with the NSA, but they didn't need the Internet to do that. I'm sure they
were doing it in the days of POTS too. And besides, data sharing doesn't just
benefit large, faceless business entities. It benefits you and me too. When
some member of the general public knows about an abuse, he can share it on the
Internet with an ease that would have been unimaginable at the beginning of the
last decade(Wikileaks, anybody?). So, on the whole, I'm not terribly worried.
If I were, I would become a Luddite and swear off the Internet altogether.
Because that would be the only true defense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Jim Kinney <<a
href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree with you Jeff. And it's not just the tin-foil hat talking
either.<br>
<br>
Yet I also think we've already passed the point of no return.<br>
<br>
You and many others use (myself included) use Google search daily<br>
because it works. That ability to work is a direct result of the<br>
constant tracking that they do. That search allows a data point of<br>
topic and requester's IP. The ALE list is mirrored on google groups<br>
as an emergency backup medium. That means they also have the email<br>
address of anyone who posts to the list. This now provides a directly<br>
inferrable "interest route" that can be pegged against the IP address<br>
and email address. The search links can now correlate between an email<br>
persona and other people and can also obtain a fair estimate of<br>
"degrees of separation" based on email correspondence and
similarities<br>
of search data.<br>
<br>
Now couple that with "customer loyalty card" data and credit card<br>
purchase data and it is quite easy to built up a solid profile with<br>
fairly accurate personality profiles (Yikes! Free software/speech/beer<br>
advocate alert!). Google has Checkout already. Do they also provide<br>
bulk mail services for Kroger and Publix? I don't know but is either<br>
wanted to make sure their message made it past spam filters, sending<br>
email coupons through Google mail servers would be a good way.<br>
<br>
Somewhere a series of red blinking lights just activated....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeff Lightner</st1:PersonName><<a
href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Sorry but a company that keeps tabs on everything you do on the internet via<br>
> little javascript embeds in every web page is unlikely to ever convince me<br>
> to use them for my browser. Firefox lets me block their little
embed. I<br>
> use Google for searching but don’t think it is smart to use them for much<br>
> more.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf
Of Jim<br>
> Philips<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:13 AM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run
Linux!</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Google Chrome just got a lot better on Linux<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Well, this definitely adds some fuel to the fire:<br>
><br>
> <a
href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html"
target="_blank">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html</a><br>
><br>
> The Google OS is going to be a reality.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Jim Philips <<a
href="mailto:briarpatch.jim@gmail.com">briarpatch.jim@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> There are already add-ons in an experimental state. I haven't tried to use<br>
> them in Linux. But the work is under way.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Richard Bronosky <<a
href="mailto:Richard@bronosky.com">Richard@bronosky.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Amen.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Andrew Grieser<<a
href="mailto:agrieser@gmail.com">agrieser@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Is there any plan for add-ons? It seems like they have to do something<br>
>> similar to add-ons in order to win over Firefox users.<br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:59:29PM -0400, Jim Philips wrote:<br>
>>> Well, Chromium really. I've been downloading the
nightlies from here:<br>
>>> <a
href="http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel#TOC-Linux"
target="_blank">http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel#TOC-Linux</a><br>
>>> Today, there was a giant leap ahead in features. You
can manage<br>
>>> bookmarks,<br>
>>> save passwords, switch to a GTK theme and do a whole
lot of other<br>
>>> things<br>
>>> you couldn't do before today. I don't know if I'll
prefer it over<br>
>>> Firefox<br>
>>> or not. But it is *nice* to have a choice.<br>
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