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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Be happy. My new Chrysler 300 has a
snazzy console with built in Navigation amongst other things. The new download
information for it is $200. No subscription available so far as I could tell
meaning they’ll want that every time. I think I’ll break out the
old Rand-McNally before I’ll do that update.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On the plus side (pun not intended) the
price of the car went down more than $2,000 between the time I first looked at
it and when I bought it AND I got 0% interest which they weren’t offering
earlier. Since I knew the price before Chrysler announced their Employee Plus
Plus pricing it was gratifying to see it actually did mean a real discount (not
just off the sticker). Also it seemed appropriate for a geek to buy a car
that was “employee++”. </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
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color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Christopher Fowler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:06
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ale@ale.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Why no hackable
GPS</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ned Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Android
does not store maps, it references google maps for map info.<br>
One should note the g1 is not the only android platform at this point. Both the
openmoko and zzzphone handsets both can and in the case of the zzz ship with
android. Both of course have gps chipset.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I do not buy into the idea that the G3 network should
be used by people that need directions and maps to the local Wal-Mart. I
hate the fact that on my Verizon phone that directions require a constant
connection to the network. Could you imagine some idiot not knowing
this programs his phone to give him directions to Disney from <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City>. For 8
hours constant G3 usage. If you can even get G3 on that route!<br>
<br>
IMO, the Garmin type devices are perfect for what they were created for.
All they require is a LOS to some GPS antennas in orbit. They have all
the data on some flash. What really needs to be focused on is an
open format for this data so that people that want to offer this data for free
can. Now Garmin is competing on their updates. You can pay $69 for
theirs or download OpenStreetMap for free. <br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ned<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mar 17, 2009 12:10 AM,
"Brian Pitts" <<a href="mailto:brian@polibyte.com"
moz-do-not-send=true>brian@polibyte.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'>Christopher Fowler wrote: > > Does anyone realize
what is required to do map updates? > > <a href="http://">http://</a>...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would much rather start with the freely available
street maps [0] and<br>
participate in a community effort to update them [1]. Compared to<br>
StreetAtlas, the community isn't doing too bad.<br>
<br>
[0] <a href="http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/</a><br>
[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap</a><br>
[2]<br>
<a
href="http://blog.fortiusone.com/2008/12/12/openstreetmap-vs-googleteleatlas-street-coverage/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>http://blog.fortiusone.com/2008/12/12/openstreetmap-vs-googleteleatlas-street-coverage/</a><br>
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--<br>
All the best,<br>
</span></font><font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'>Brian Pitts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'>_______________________________________________ Ale
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