For a small company like us, and the messed up economy. Saving money means saving job. Besides, I use enough budget money on the Cisco stuff. LOL<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/27 Jeff Lightner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>></span><br>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">"industry standard" - Not
sure I buy that. </span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It seems clear there are people using it
but from my work in the "industry" it is not the "standard".
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Brandon Colbert<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 27, 2009
2:42 PM<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Backups (What
are you using?)</div></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
implementation time. LOL</span></font></p><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">5. <u>Enterprise Backup Solution</u> - <a href="http://bacula.org/en/" target="_blank">http://bacula.org/en/</a></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
environment that has 20 or more servers.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Three hardware components are involved in this process: server, 12-bay
storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise backup
software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the data. It
emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the storage pool
concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage will always
been online and serve as the main online storage for the backup solution. The 4
bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it will be treated as
tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy to that storage pool it
writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the drives are full they can be
taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks
will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide
higher security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen. The other
servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the server when it
needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set for the all clients. </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: 150%;" align="center"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Cost Estimate:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">OFF-LINE Storage</span></font></b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
469.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">4TB = 540.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Total = 1053.00 </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">ON-LINE Storage</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">
</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
with expander 1800.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">6TB = 820.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Total = 3406.00 </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Grand Total = 4459.00</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon Colbert <<a href="mailto:colbert.brandon@gmail.com" target="_blank">colbert.brandon@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
implementation time. LOL</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">5. <u>Enterprise Backup Solution</u> - <a href="http://bacula.org/en/" target="_blank">http://bacula.org/en/</a></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
environment that has 20 or more servers.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Three hardware components are involved in this process: server, 12-bay
storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise backup
software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the data. It
emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the storage pool
concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage will always
been online and serve as the main online storage for the backup solution. The 4
bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it will be treated as
tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy to that storage pool it
writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the drives are full they can be
taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks
will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide
higher security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen. The
other servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the server when
it needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set for the all clients. </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: 150%;" align="center"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Cost Estimate:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">OFF-LINE Storage</span></font></b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
469.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">4TB = 540.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Total = 1053.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">ON-LINE Storage</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">
</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
with expander 1800.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">6TB = 820.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Total = 3406.00 </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 150%;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Tahoma;">Grand Total = 4459.00</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I'm surprised no one has added the "I don't do backups 'cause all
the<br>
important stuff is in-my-head/hardcopy".<br>
<br>
NASA has a truly horrid backup problem. They have so much data that<br>
the media is beginning to fail before they can get back around to<br>
transfer it to another format. There is stuff from the early Mercury<br>
and Gemini days that is not searchable as it is on paper (that is<br>
rotting away - pre acid-free days) and much of the moon landing data<br>
that is electronic is on tape media with no remaining drives that<br>
function.<br>
<br>
Imagine needing to backup dozens of TB that is readable at only 2-3Kb/s!<br>
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2009/1/26 Brandon Colbert <<a href="mailto:colbert.brandon@gmail.com" target="_blank">colbert.brandon@gmail.com</a>>:</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> All,<br>
><br>
> Today I proposed a new backup solution using Bacula. Does anyone have
Bacula<br>
> deployed in their environment? I just wanted to see what everyone else is<br>
> using.<br>
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