would such customization justify loss of hardware compatibility and such (i.e., ESX versus stock RHEL or CentOS + VMWare Server )?<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Shane McKinley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shane@hemc.coop">shane@hemc.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I didn't know whether it was safe to say ESX would load the same<br>
hardware that *linux* would load or not...I am sure they have done some<br>
customiztion to the kernel...<br>
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Shane<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Hubbs [mailto:<a href="mailto:hbbs@comcast.net">hbbs@comcast.net</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:20 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] Monster PC < $500<br>
<br>
VMware ESX basically *is* a Linux distribution, so you're constrained in<br>
several ways especially with hardware...you aren't going to be able to<br>
use some device just because its module just made it into the tree on<br>
<a href="http://kernel.org" target="_blank">kernel.org</a>.<br>
<br>
JK wrote:<br>
> Shane McKinley wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Do you really want to run production virtualization on a custom built<br>
<br>
>> PC?<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> This is for development and test, not production. And learning -- it's<br>
<br>
> been a long while since I built a PC (last one was a 700Mhz Celeron, I<br>
<br>
> think), and I want to get some experience with virtualization. But<br>
> assuming I can make it work, it will allow me to eliminate or<br>
> repurpose several other dedicated boxen on my home LAN.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> I have always had good luck with Gigabyte boards.<br>
>><br>
>> Everyone knows that AMDs are reliable (for the most part).<br>
>><br>
>> Never tried OCZ memory, but the faster the memory seems like the more<br>
<br>
>> probable you will have a compatibility issue, unless specifically<br>
>> stated by motherboard manufacturer that they support the specific<br>
memory.<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> That MB supports 1066 memory. Memory confuses me; can I use slower<br>
> RAM on a MB whose specs state that 1066 is supported?<br>
> (Though all other things being equal, faster is better.)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> I bought this case like 4 times and I love it:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068</a><br>
>><br>
>> Here is a 580W for $20:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Ah hah. Thanks for the pointer.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Can't go wrong with the hard drive.<br>
>><br>
>> Overall, I would worry about being able to load ESX on this machine.<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Why exactly?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> (Does Xen even do Windows yet?)<br>
>><br>
>> Where is your DVD-ROM?<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Knew I was forgetting something... Thanks.<br>
><br>
><br>
> -- JK<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Shane<br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: JK [mailto:<a href="mailto:jknapka@kneuro.net">jknapka@kneuro.net</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:24 PM<br>
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
>> Subject: [ale] [OT] Monster PC < $500<br>
>><br>
>> [Marked OT because not directly Linux-relevant, although Linux will<br>
>> certainly be run on this machine.]<br>
>><br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm looking at putting together a machine to run some virtualized<br>
>> servers (maybe under Xen, maybe VMWare, maybe something else; haven't<br>
<br>
>> decided yet). I've put together a parts list for a 2.3Ghz quad-core<br>
>> Phenom/8GB RAM/250GB HD machine from <a href="http://newegg.com" target="_blank">newegg.com</a>, totalling $465.<br>
>> Does that seem reasonable, or am I (a) paying too much for something,<br>
<br>
>> or<br>
>> (b) lowballing something critical? I'm especially concerned about<br>
>> cooling; I've actually never built a machine before where heat<br>
>> dissipation was at all an issue, and cheap stock fans have always<br>
>> worked fine for me. I suspect that won't be the case with a CPU that<br>
>> draws 165W. (At least I won't have to run my heater as much this<br>
>> winter.)<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to be able to run four virtual machines each equivalent to<br>
>> perhaps a 500Mhz P3 with 1GB RAM or thereabouts.<br>
>> Exact performance is negotiable.<br>
>><br>
>> Here's the list. I may invest in another HD for RAID, but for now I'm<br>
<br>
>> trying to stay under $500:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> MB $ 85 GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD<br>
>> Motherboard (this board has 4 DDR2 slots and accepts up to 16GB)<br>
>><br>
>> CPU $120 AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core<br>
<br>
>> Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX - Retail<br>
>><br>
>> RAM $130 2 x OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2<br>
<br>
>> 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P10664GK -<br>
>> Retail ($65 per 2x2GB kit)<br>
>><br>
>> Fan $ 40 COOLER MASTER GeminII S RR-CCH-PBU1-GP 120mm Sleeve<br>
CPU<br>
>> Cooler - Retail (or comparable)<br>
>><br>
>> Case $ 35 Linkworld 3230-18 c2228u Black Steel ATX Mid Tower<br>
>> Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail (Is 430W sufficient for this<br>
<br>
>> rig? The CPU draws 165W alone, but I think it's the most power-hungry<br>
>> component.)<br>
>><br>
>> HD $ 55 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM<br>
>> SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM<br>
>> ------------<br>
>> $465<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Any opinions appreciated.<br>
>><br>
>> -- JK<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> I do not particularly want to go where the money is -<br>
>> it usually does not smell nice there. -- A. Stepanov<br>
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