Also see ESXi - VMware has a [somewhat] stripped-down edition of ESX for free.<div><br></div><div>WMM<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Greg Freemyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:greg.freemyer@gmail.com">greg.freemyer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Jerry,<br>
<br>
I have not yet worked with ESX, but it is a $3K product, whereas<br>
VMWare Server is basically free. I hope there is some significant<br>
advantage.<br>
<br>
Actually, for my case it does not matter. My client is running ESX<br>
and my software has to be tested in that environment. Not any<br>
flexibility on my part.<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
<br>
2008/10/28 Jerry Yu <<a href="mailto:jjj863@gmail.com">jjj863@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> would such customization justify loss of hardware compatibility and such<br>
> (i.e., ESX versus stock RHEL or CentOS + VMWare Server )?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Shane McKinley <<a href="mailto:shane@hemc.coop">shane@hemc.coop</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I didn't know whether it was safe to say ESX would load the same<br>
>> hardware that *linux* would load or not...I am sure they have done some<br>
>> customiztion to the kernel...<br>
>><br>
>> Shane<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Jeff Hubbs [mailto:<a href="mailto:hbbs@comcast.net">hbbs@comcast.net</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:20 PM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] Monster PC < $500<br>
>><br>
>> VMware ESX basically *is* a Linux distribution, so you're constrained in<br>
>> several ways especially with hardware...you aren't going to be able to<br>
>> use some device just because its module just made it into the tree on<br>
>> <a href="http://kernel.org" target="_blank">kernel.org</a>.<br>
>><br>
>> JK wrote:<br>
>> > Shane McKinley wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Do you really want to run production virtualization on a custom built<br>
>><br>
>> >> PC?<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > This is for development and test, not production. And learning -- it's<br>
>><br>
>> > been a long while since I built a PC (last one was a 700Mhz Celeron, I<br>
>><br>
>> > think), and I want to get some experience with virtualization. But<br>
>> > assuming I can make it work, it will allow me to eliminate or<br>
>> > repurpose several other dedicated boxen on my home LAN.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> I have always had good luck with Gigabyte boards.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Everyone knows that AMDs are reliable (for the most part).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Never tried OCZ memory, but the faster the memory seems like the more<br>
>><br>
>> >> probable you will have a compatibility issue, unless specifically<br>
>> >> stated by motherboard manufacturer that they support the specific<br>
>> memory.<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > That MB supports 1066 memory. Memory confuses me; can I use slower<br>
>> > RAM on a MB whose specs state that 1066 is supported?<br>
>> > (Though all other things being equal, faster is better.)<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> I bought this case like 4 times and I love it:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Here is a 580W for $20:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ah hah. Thanks for the pointer.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Can't go wrong with the hard drive.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Overall, I would worry about being able to load ESX on this machine.<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Why exactly?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> (Does Xen even do Windows yet?)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Where is your DVD-ROM?<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Knew I was forgetting something... Thanks.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -- JK<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Shane<br>
>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> >> From: JK [mailto:<a href="mailto:jknapka@kneuro.net">jknapka@kneuro.net</a>]<br>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:24 PM<br>
>> >> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
>> >> Subject: [ale] [OT] Monster PC < $500<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [Marked OT because not directly Linux-relevant, although Linux will<br>
>> >> certainly be run on this machine.]<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi everyone,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I'm looking at putting together a machine to run some virtualized<br>
>> >> servers (maybe under Xen, maybe VMWare, maybe something else; haven't<br>
>><br>
>> >> decided yet). I've put together a parts list for a 2.3Ghz quad-core<br>
>> >> Phenom/8GB RAM/250GB HD machine from <a href="http://newegg.com" target="_blank">newegg.com</a>, totalling $465.<br>
>> >> Does that seem reasonable, or am I (a) paying too much for something,<br>
>><br>
>> >> or<br>
>> >> (b) lowballing something critical? I'm especially concerned about<br>
>> >> cooling; I've actually never built a machine before where heat<br>
>> >> dissipation was at all an issue, and cheap stock fans have always<br>
>> >> worked fine for me. I suspect that won't be the case with a CPU that<br>
>> >> draws 165W. (At least I won't have to run my heater as much this<br>
>> >> winter.)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I'd like to be able to run four virtual machines each equivalent to<br>
>> >> perhaps a 500Mhz P3 with 1GB RAM or thereabouts.<br>
>> >> Exact performance is negotiable.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Here's the list. I may invest in another HD for RAID, but for now I'm<br>
>><br>
>> >> trying to stay under $500:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> MB $ 85 GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD<br>
>> >> Motherboard (this board has 4 DDR2 slots and accepts up to 16GB)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> CPU $120 AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core<br>
>><br>
>> >> Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX - Retail<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> RAM $130 2 x OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2<br>
>><br>
>> >> 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P10664GK -<br>
>> >> Retail ($65 per 2x2GB kit)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Fan $ 40 COOLER MASTER GeminII S RR-CCH-PBU1-GP 120mm Sleeve<br>
>> CPU<br>
>> >> Cooler - Retail (or comparable)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Case $ 35 Linkworld 3230-18 c2228u Black Steel ATX Mid Tower<br>
>> >> Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail (Is 430W sufficient for this<br>
>><br>
>> >> rig? The CPU draws 165W alone, but I think it's the most power-hungry<br>
>> >> component.)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> HD $ 55 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM<br>
>> >> SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM<br>
>> >> ------------<br>
>> >> $465<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Any opinions appreciated.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -- JK<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> I do not particularly want to go where the money is -<br>
>> >> it usually does not smell nice there. -- A. Stepanov<br>
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