<div dir="ltr">A recruiter is similar to a sales rep. If a sales rep doesn't know their product line, how can they provide their customer with the best product for their need? They can't. They will just try and make the highest commission sale they can. That doesn't benefit the customer. <br>
<br>Granted, a recruiter is most likely talking to a company HR person who most likely has no idea what anything is on the specs list they publish. That is the other side of this on-going problem. It isn't animosity towards a recruiter but rather a disdain for the uninformed. It is always encouraging to see a "clueless newbie" pop up on ALE and start asking question that we have discussed ad infinitum, ad nasueum. They want to learn. Pointers to knowledge are good as well as direct answers when available. Even better when one of those nubes later posts a job description that shows they have learned a bit of the relations between various packages and tools and distros, etc.<br>
<br>I also think that only the employed or uninterested will generally dismiss a recruiter for reasons of cluelessness. Bear in mind, this thread began because of an exceptionally harsh response to a job posting on the list. We are now discussing a personal response to a most likely unsolicited recuiter contact. I have received cold-contacts that went to the bit bucket, some that were replied to tersely with a "not interested" and a smattering few that got a more detailed, and strongly toned, "my public work history screams loudly that I don't do windows so why do you keep pestering me with windows jobs". At that point I _do_ make it plain that lack of knowledge in the IT field of the various platforms and environments makes for a poor performance on the part of the recruiter.<br>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I find it amusing that folks seem to treat
recruiters as the enemy rather than a first step to get in the door.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Is it really that hard to say "sorry
not interested" when asked about a job for which you have no interest or
qualification?</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Expecting them to know as much about every
job they represent as the potential candidates seems to require a divine status
that few could achieve.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The only recruiters that ever really
annoyed me were the ones that were clearly mining me for information rather
than sending leads my way. Luckily they are few and far between. You learn
very quickly to not answer questions about who you're interviewing with and
only tell them if they happen to mention a job that sounds similar to one you're
already being presented for.</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 13, 2008
2:22 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Resume
formatting (was: Anyone looking for a new gig?)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Robert Reese~ <<a href="mailto:ale@sixit.com" target="_blank">ale@sixit.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Unfortunately, when exporting to Word, OOo doesn't have the ability to
password-protect the document to prevent it from being altered. To compensate,
I'm thinking the route to go is to play dumb and send the resume as a bitmap
image inside the Word doc with an alter-resistant background. My guess is
at that point the recruiter has a few choices: ask you to make the changes and
resubmit it, OCR it and change it him or herself, round-file it, alter it
without regard as to whether the employer is going to notice, or send it in
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Can you elaborate on how to make an alter-resistant background with the gimp.
It will be added to my bag of (evil to windblows lusers) tricks. <br>
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That ranks up there with having a copyright notice on the resume.</span></font></p>
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<font color="#888888"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Robert~</span></font></span></font></p>
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