<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Jeff Lightner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Is it really that hard to say “sorry not interested” when asked about a job for which you have no interest or qualification?</span></font></div></div></div></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't as much have an issue with that. For me, it irritates me when:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The recruiter cannot speak the English language passably enough to be understood over the crackle of the call from India. (I roomed with two Indian guys and a Pakistani in college... I'm able to understand quite a bit)</div><div><br></div><div>2. Said Indian caller cannot read well enough to ascertain that 18 years of Systems Administration does not translate to Sr. Oracle engineer *EVEN IF* the keyword does exist on my resume as an environment supported.</div><div><br></div><div>3. When the following lines:</div><div><br></div><div> *** I DO NOT WORK CONTRACT NOR RESPOND TO RELOCATION OPPORTUNITIES *** </div><div><br></div><div>appear at the top of my profiles in every online job search engine, and Mr. recruiter calls for a contract position in New York. THEN when asked, affirms that he did see that and chose to ignore it.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Recruiter argues with me about what is on my resume.</div><div><br></div><div>5. Recruiter asks me to change the formatting of my resume because he/she cannot edit it. (true story! You can cause a great deal of havoc with tables in MSWord! )</div><div><br></div><div>6. Recruiter doesn't have the common sense to tell their client "No, you can't have someone with 15 years of .NET, 20 years of Java, {insert more years than has been in existence of favorite technology here}".</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Expecting them to know as much about every job they represent as the potential candidates seems to require a divine status that few could achieve.</span></font></div></div></div></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I had a guy talk at the NW meeting when I was at TWC. His name is Brian Mack, and works at Tek. He makes the effort. He stays on top of the tech he recruits for, and even casts the odd call my way to ask me "What is $tech?" </div><div><br></div><div>He *cares* enough about his career that he makes it his business to know what he's recruiting for, what it entails, and if he thinks someone is trying to snow him, he checks facts. If he can do it, shouldn't other recruiters at least make some measurable effort in that direction?<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "></span></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I'm not asking for some super-recruiter, I'm just asking for a person that is conscientious, courteous, professional, and observant. Luckily, i n my most recent move, the recruiter was just that. I took the job. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Great discussion!</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">--j</span></font></div></div></body></html>