<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Seriously. </div><div><br></div><div>Instead of taking the opportunity to educate, we sit in our pompous little chairs and throw epithets to make ourselves look smart.</div><div><br></div><div>This hearkens all the way back to the list splitting war of 2007. Some people just don't want to come here for:</div><div><br></div><div>A) Off Topic rants and discussions regarding nothing to do with Linux (ad infinitum, might I add) (it has gotten better since I've been back, tho)</div><div>B) Treatment received when a question is asked</div><div>C) Treatment received when a mistake is made</div><div><br></div><div>We are a user's GROUP. We exist for the welfare of the GROUP, and not the few (or the one. 1$ to Mr. Spock) Education of the n00bs and uninitiated should be our biggest and best goal. If we get some education on more senior topics along the way, great. One way, we individually benefit. The other way, the whole Linux community benefits.</div><div><br></div><div>How many young users/admins/curious have moved on because of treatment received here? How many potential Linux jobs have we not heard about because people are afraid to come here and post because of the treatment they'd receive at the hands of the "elite" on this board?</div><div><br></div><div>Guys, you and I both know that the percentage of HR people who have even a passing clue about what we do is slim. These are HR professionals.. people like my dad, your uncle, somebody's mom. They are not IT professionals, they are just HR professionals. In that business, computer expertise is a soft skill that it is "nice to have". They need to be able to conduct searches, work with Word and Outlook, and be personable, friendly, and knowledgeable enough to do a first-screening of a person to get them to the next step in the process.</div><div><br></div><div>Honestly, given the type of work we do, it's a remarkably effective method. The average recruiter/HR professional will closely mirror what we might expect out of users we might support. If we hack off the recruiter, chances are very good we'd hack off our users, and wouldn't be a good fit for whatever it might be they're representing.</div><div><br></div><div>One day we should go ahead and put a bullet in this attitude. Now would be good.</div><div><br></div><div>--jms</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On May 15, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jeff Lightner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Funny - this list goes on and on about all sorts of OT stuff but 3<br>emails about something almost on topic (job opportunity for Linux admin)<br>is enough to send some folks into a tizzy.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jeff<br>Hubbs<br>Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:37 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [ale] Recall: Job Opportunity- Linux/System Admin<br><br>Kelly Flanagan wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Kelly Flanagan would like to recall the message, "[ale] Job <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Opportunity- Linux/System Admin".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>Heh, I *bet* you do! :)<br>_______________________________________________<br>Ale mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org">Ale@ale.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>----------------------------------<br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you.<br>----------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ale mailing list<br>Ale@ale.org<br>http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>